Arsenal Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[jezz]

That would have been his error against Man Utd? Or Stoke?

Or are you holding onto the first game under him, in which he had probably spent,what, 2-3 hours on the training pitch with them?

A bit desperate to base your argument on that.

He played a DM against Man Utd.
His error was taking Capoue off against utd.
Keep up man.
Yeah we looked great with no DM in our games.
Stoke is the only game we have truly dominated.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Sherwood has shown he is no great tactician, even in the games we have won-he is naive at best. Yet, if we are to have any success we have to get behind him this season. To any of those suggesting they saw any positives yesterday in how we played, what we created, how we defended, how we set up to nullify their strong points, well frankly I saw none of it, at all. We were poor, we started with the wrong personnel/formation to give ourselves a CHANCE to beat a very very good Arsenal team away. AVB was too stubborn in one direction, TS seems the same in the other direction. Lets hope he saw this against Arsenal and what he said in press conference was just cobblers, and we can move on and beat palace this weekend and go on a lil run.

 

[CowInAComa]

Sure fatigue comes into play here, but certainly you would agree that playing Adebayor was a huge risk, given the ice bath that TS personally offered to give him, in addition to playing Capoue instead of Bentaleb in a 4-3-3 would've contributed to a more fighting chance, even if it might not have won us the game.

The only chance we had to win was to play our best players and hope to squeeze a performance out of them. We dont turn Arsenal over at the emirates without something approaching our strongest side, nor do anyone.

Capoue hasnt really been tearing it up lately. Im not sure why you think he would possibly have turned the game in our favour.

In all honesty, yeah, drop Adebayor and put on Capoue, i still dont see it being any different. We just got beat. I really think with a full fresh squad and a new left back it will hold no fear for us next time around.

 

[CowInAComa]

He played a DM against Man Utd.
His error was taking Capoue off against utd.
Keep up man.
Yeah we looked great with no DM in our games.
Stoke is the only game we have truly dominated.

Oh, you expected us to dominate Arsenal and Utd at their place.

I'll leave you to your tenuous grasp of reality. good day.

 

[shelfboy68]

Not really. I just think they won it because they were fresher, sharper and seemed more up for it than us all over the pitch. I dont therefore think it would have made much difference to have implemented a different formation or put capoue on.

I think we have to accept that on the day fatigue and injuries always had the game going away from us, and then we gifted them a goal. Nothing drains your legs faster than an uphill task.

It seems people have wanted to vent about Sherwood and his tactics for weeks but he not been found wanting, and so are now happily ignoring the fact the even if we were at full tilt, armed with the-worlds-greatest-tactics-ever, Arsenal at the emirates was always going to be a very difficult ask, just so that they could finally get the boot in.

We as a club do find ways of making things difficult for ourselves in these big games for instance last year ade gets sent off another spanking and the year before we were two up and threw it away it's always the same.
I don't really think tiredness is much of an issue as that always gets trotted out when we lose these type of games as they also have played the same games over the festive period as everyone.
We have to look at ourselves first and find why we tend to self destruct at times and stop being too flaky then if we get it right we can start celebrating and make going back to work on Mondays more enjoyable and less embarrassing.

 

[CrazyHeart]

The only chance we had to win was to play our best players and hope to squeeze a performance out of them. We dont turn Arsenal over at the emirates without something approaching our strongest side, nor do anyone.

Capoue hasnt really been tearing it up lately. Im not sure why you think he would possibly have turned the game in our favour.

In all honesty, yeah, drop Adebayor and put on Capoue, i still dont see it being any different. We just got beat. I really think with a full fresh squad and a new left back it will hold no fear for us next time around.

Let's hope so. I just don't buy that there's nothing we could've done that's all. Our injury situation does kinda suck right now though.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

The only chance we had to win was to play our best players and hope to squeeze a performance out of them. We dont turn Arsenal over at the emirates without something approaching our strongest side, nor do anyone.

Capoue hasnt really been tearing it up lately. Im not sure why you think he would possibly have turned the game in our favour.

In all honesty, yeah, drop Adebayor and put on Capoue, i still dont see it being any different. We just got beat. I really think with a full fresh squad and a new left back it will hold no fear for us next time around.

For a start, by playing Capoue would mean that in parts of the game, players such as Eriksen, Lennon, Dembele would be more free in attacking positions to influence the game when we gained possession..? Or perhaps, Arsenal wouldnt have found so much space in front of our defence to play the ball in to Walcott whenever they wanted...?

 

[CowInAComa]

Let's hope so. I just don't buy that there's nothing we could've done that's all. Our injury situation does kinda suck right now though.

The way I see it is we lost a game we were always likely to lose. yes it could have been better but its not like we havent just beaten Utd and put in a wonderful performance against Stoke. Teams lose games, thats the way it is, especially against the divisions form team, they will beat better teams than us this year.

Had eriksen put the early chance away or Rose not lost his mind it may have ended up differently. I just cant accept that after beating Utd people are saying we are self destructing and falling apart and all that shit.

 

[CowInAComa]

For a start, by playing Capoue would mean that in parts of the game, players such as Eriksen, Lennon, Dembele would be more free in attacking positions to influence the game when we gained possession..? Or perhaps, Arsenal wouldnt have found so much space in front of our defence to play the ball in to Walcott whenever they wanted...?

yeah arsenal are easy to nullify, silly timmy. such a simple tweak, such definite results.

 

[jezz]

Oh, you expected us to dominate Arsenal and Utd at their place.

I'll leave you to your tenuous grasp of reality. good day.

See you Tim.
Have fun telling the pressing you werent out manned in midfield.
And good luck playing with no DM.
Reality check, bye

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

yeah arsenal are easy to nullify, silly timmy. such a simple tweak, such definite results.

Not definite, obviously. Don't start making silly comments because someone is using a very logical argument that makes tactical sense. It would have given us a much better chance, because everyone knows how good Arsenal are with their interchanging and passing in central midfield. As 1715 yesterday, in my opinion, we would have had a greater CHANCE to go on and and win the game if we had played an extra central midfielder or used a CDM.

 

[SpurSince57]

Trouble is Tim has to be able to take criticism and the rough with the smooth and all that as he has been cocky enough in press conferences to tell all that basically football is as a simple game.
But when your faced with the notion that we were outnumbered in midfield yesterday by the media and to claim that we weren't was naive and going with that formation to start with the same.
Nevertheless I will support him as we have no option until the end of the season cos the club is more important than anyone.

There are those on here who give the impression that Barbarossa was a mere bagatelle compared to your average EPL game.

The problem was less the midfield, where we had Ade or Soldado, or both, dropping deep, than on the left, where Rose was targeted (again) and shown to be not up to the job (again). Sherwood had little option but to persevere with him, since Fryers doesn't inspire a huge degree of confidence, but this is going to be a recurring problem, or nightmare, unless we sign a replacement. And as for 4-4-2, I'll ask a question I've put several times before and have yet to see answered: if we play with one striker in a magic-bullet 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, where are the goals coming from? If we had a Bale or a VdV, or even a Jenas (!), fine, but none of our current midfield looks like scoring a decent number of goals.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

There are those on here who give the impression that Barbarossa was a mere bagatelle compared to your average EPL game.

The problem was less the midfield, where we had Ade or Soldado, or both, dropping deep, than on the left, where Rose was targeted (again) and shown to be not up to the job (again). Sherwood had little option but to persevere with him, since Fryers doesn't inspire a huge degree of confidence, but this is going to be a recurring problem, or nightmare, unless we sign a replacement. And as for 4-4-2, I'll ask a question I've put several times before and have yet to see answered: if we play with one striker in a magic-bullet 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, where are the goals coming from? If we had a Bale or a VdV, or even a Jenas (!), fine, but none of our current midfield looks like scoring a decent number of goals.

We also played an attacking central midfielder in front of Rose with no defensive minded midfielder at all across the middle. Our back line, who admittedly arent solid, werent ever going to be given a sufficient amount of protection.

 

[shelfboy68]

There are those on here who give the impression that Barbarossa was a mere bagatelle compared to your average EPL game.

The problem was less the midfield, where we had Ade or Soldado, or both, dropping deep, than on the left, where Rose was targeted (again) and shown to be not up to the job (again). Sherwood had little option but to persevere with him, since Fryers doesn't inspire a huge degree of confidence, but this is going to be a recurring problem, or nightmare, unless we sign a replacement. And as for 4-4-2, I'll ask a question I've put several times before and have yet to see answered: if we play with one striker in a magic-bullet 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, where are the goals coming from? If we had a Bale or a VdV, or even a Jenas (!), fine, but none of our current midfield looks like scoring a decent number of goals.

I think you maybe right we probably need a set of midfielders like Arse or Chelsea have more mobile and quick to support the front man.
But for now we are stuck with the players we have I guess baldini will be a busy man in the summer.

 

[CrazyHeart]

The way I see it is we lost a game we were always likely to lose. yes it could have been better but its not like we havent just beaten Utd and put in a wonderful performance against Stoke. Teams lose games, thats the way it is, especially against the divisions form team, they will beat better teams than us this year.

Had eriksen put the early chance away or Rose not lost his mind it may have ended up differently. I just cant accept that after beating Utd people are saying we are self destructing and falling apart and all that shit.

Just out of curiosity... did you feel this way about AVB when we got less than favourable results?

 

[barry]

I don't know what game some of you saw. We weren't that bad and until rose's mistake we were well in it.
No matter what team or formation sherwood had picked they'll always be some captain hindsight who knows better. I know for a fact if we had played 451 and still lost, some of you would of said we should of played 442 and had a go. Probably the same people advocating 451 now.
I thought we should have played capoue instead of nabil, but it's not like the lad disgraced himself. Rose made a mistake. Do you want naughton back? He's looked poor recently but I think it's more to do with coming back from injury than being a poor lb. He might not be a world beater but he's a competent lb. Ask a Sunderland fan.
The scum were better than us but I'm liking sherwood and enjoying spurs again. Let's give him a bit of time to implement his tactics and see how we do.

 

[SpurSince57]

Sure fatigue comes into play here, but certainly you would agree that playing Adebayor was a huge risk, given the ice bath that TS personally offered to give him, in addition to playing Capoue instead of Bentaleb in a 4-3-3 would've contributed to a more fighting chance, even if it might not have won us the game.

Not if he gave the ball away as much as he did at OT, it wouldn't. And yes, playing Ade was a risk, not least because he's liable to have the red mist come down against the Scum, but you've clearly forgotten how impotent an attacking force we were until Sherwood brought him back.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Do you not think that them having an extra man in midfield only exacerbates our problems? If we had one more body in there to track runs and tackle defensively or provide an extra man for for the pass it would have helped. I'm not saying that Sherwood set us up to lose, but rather that he was a bit naive in thinking 4-4-2 would work against a team who are the best at keeping the ball in the league.

I'm not one for putting that much weight in stats but we had more possession than them. How much more would we have got with an extra man in there? We're never going to have 65-70% possession away to Arsenal. In an ideal world we'd have complete control of the football, stopping Arsenal looking dangerous at all whilst being effective going forward ourselves. Yet you have to balance out keeping some control and stability whilst also being able to work the ball effectively into the final third and making it stick up there, you still need to be a threat yourselves.

 

[slartibartfast]

Just out of curiosity... did you feel this way about AVB when we got less than favourable results?

Your seriously comparing losing 2.0 at the Emirates to what happened at City and at home to Liverpool and West Ham and on top of that go one further by calling them 'less than favourable.' Really??
I was against AVBs appointment but you'd have to be a dick to criticize any manager after 2weeks in the job.
AVBs unfortunate losses were not 2 weeks in and bare no comparison to yesterday.

 

[Sweetsman]

And how long does he need to realize his mistakes?
Hes the manager, he wanted the job.
He said he was up for it and its a simple game.
Well show us how simple it is then.

He sure as hell made it look simple, whereas Wenger made him look like a simpleton.