Kendall
Well-Known Member
- Feb 8, 2007
- 38,502
- 11,933
Candid Juande Ramos Interview about Spurs....
- Thread starter Dinpomp
- Start date
Kendall
Well-Known Member
- Feb 8, 2007
- 38,502
- 11,933
I think he'd point to his record and say he's done OK and in some cases it would be hard to argue with him. He did sign the likes of Berbatov, BAE, Kaboul, Bale, Modric and Corluka. Although they didn't do that well for us, he could also point to Giovani, Boateng and Taarabt (even though I have no idea how he ended up at Milan) as coups. At Liverpool it was not so great, but Henderson, one that many laughed at because of the price is becoming an important cog there and ruined us this season.
Seems he was better at unearthing gems relatively cheap than he was trying to make high profile expensive signings fit for purpose in the first team (especially in the English market)
The money he spent on Bentley, Bent, Carroll and Downing is crazy - maybe it also says something about the position of a DOF buying for the here and now when a first team coach is in place and the coach should have greater input in those types of signings and leave the DOF to bring in younger talents on the cheap with the hopes of developing into first team players (even though Berbatov and Modric would be considered first team players for the now I suppose)
DogsOfWar
Well-Known Member
- Jan 12, 2005
- 2,303
- 3,645
The problem with slagging off Levy is that he sacks a manager for underperforming and then the new one comes in and does better so it ends up being justified.
Hoddle>Jol>Ramos>Redknapp=AVB>Sherwood.
It's only Redknapp, who talked himself out of a job, that wasn't dismissed for taking us backwards as Hoddle , Jol, and Ramos were all in the relegation zone when they went and AVB was seeing us slip down the table.
We all thought we could give Levy a good kicking over the latest one but that is fast turning out to be another 'I told you so' for Levy.
When you consider we are only the 6th highest turnover in the league (and by a long way) his ways do work.
If we were Newcastle or Everton (only 1 and 2 places below us in turnover) the media would be applauding us for being massive overacheivers.
Hoddle>Jol>Ramos>Redknapp=AVB>Sherwood.
It's only Redknapp, who talked himself out of a job, that wasn't dismissed for taking us backwards as Hoddle , Jol, and Ramos were all in the relegation zone when they went and AVB was seeing us slip down the table.
We all thought we could give Levy a good kicking over the latest one but that is fast turning out to be another 'I told you so' for Levy.
When you consider we are only the 6th highest turnover in the league (and by a long way) his ways do work.
If we were Newcastle or Everton (only 1 and 2 places below us in turnover) the media would be applauding us for being massive overacheivers.
Coyboy
The Double of 1961 is still The Double
- Dec 3, 2004
- 15,506
- 5,032
Mustard
Well-Known Member
- Nov 14, 2012
- 10,781
- 20,142
Sold our best player spent a fortune on dross, brought in Sherwood.....I'm getting de ja vu here.
Hmmm...what's the bald common denominator?
whitesocks
The past means nothing. This is a message for life
- Jan 16, 2014
- 4,652
- 5,738
Steed Malbranque was player of the season in Ramos' first season.
He was a fan favourite as he put in a shift despite playing out of position.
Ramos randomly forced him out that summer.
The squad were stunned.
I'm not sure why he's moaning that he lost keane - he had made it clear to keane that he had no future as he wanted to play a lone striker formation.
In fact it was a terrific bit of business to sell him as he had lost his pace anyway.
But at the time for some reason, the club did not want to sell.
And Ramos still seems confused.
So Ramos certainly had his faults, before you even look at his dubious man management skills.
He is a tactical genius though imo - and deserves full credit for that league cup win.
We must not underestimate him.
He was a fan favourite as he put in a shift despite playing out of position.
Ramos randomly forced him out that summer.
The squad were stunned.
I'm not sure why he's moaning that he lost keane - he had made it clear to keane that he had no future as he wanted to play a lone striker formation.
In fact it was a terrific bit of business to sell him as he had lost his pace anyway.
But at the time for some reason, the club did not want to sell.
And Ramos still seems confused.
So Ramos certainly had his faults, before you even look at his dubious man management skills.
He is a tactical genius though imo - and deserves full credit for that league cup win.
We must not underestimate him.
C0YS
Just another member
- Jul 9, 2007
- 12,780
- 13,817
I'm sorry but that interview is full of rubbish by Ramos and shows him has very naive.
Firstly there was no way we were ever getting Villa or Eto'o. Highly unrealistic option and anyone blaming the club for not being able to buy two players who at that time were two of the best strikers in the world is highly unrealistic.
Secondly we did not sell Berbatov and Keane simply because we wanted to make space for Bent. We may of thought Bent was good enough to not need an early striker signing. But we actually sold Berbatov and Bent because they both pushed to leave and we were offered a really high fee for both of them.
Thirdly he says the club needed £50 million investment in that window but even in the summer window we paid close to 60 million.
Fourthly even before the investment of £50 million Redknapp did a hell lot better than Ramos did with the same players.
My fifth point, he blames himself only for not sanding up to Comolli, even though 2 points in 8 games is inexcusable even for the highly flawed team he had to work with, heck it is not even excusable for a team which is just been promoted yet alone one which was packed with full internationals in every area of the pitch.
In all honesty this article just sounds bitter and trying to manipulate himself into a more sympathetic position. Awhile interesting to read I am shocked by how many sympathetic responses are on here.
Firstly there was no way we were ever getting Villa or Eto'o. Highly unrealistic option and anyone blaming the club for not being able to buy two players who at that time were two of the best strikers in the world is highly unrealistic.
Secondly we did not sell Berbatov and Keane simply because we wanted to make space for Bent. We may of thought Bent was good enough to not need an early striker signing. But we actually sold Berbatov and Bent because they both pushed to leave and we were offered a really high fee for both of them.
Thirdly he says the club needed £50 million investment in that window but even in the summer window we paid close to 60 million.
Fourthly even before the investment of £50 million Redknapp did a hell lot better than Ramos did with the same players.
My fifth point, he blames himself only for not sanding up to Comolli, even though 2 points in 8 games is inexcusable even for the highly flawed team he had to work with, heck it is not even excusable for a team which is just been promoted yet alone one which was packed with full internationals in every area of the pitch.
In all honesty this article just sounds bitter and trying to manipulate himself into a more sympathetic position. Awhile interesting to read I am shocked by how many sympathetic responses are on here.
C0YS
Just another member
- Jul 9, 2007
- 12,780
- 13,817
TBF Sid lowe isn't exactly writing his own opinion, it is just an interview. In fact I'd say the questions he asks suggests he doesn't actually really agree with Ramos' side. Sid Lowe is most probably the best football writer around. Also on twitter he has always been fairly complementary of Spurs and I don't think he pretends to know all the ins and outs in Spain. In Football weekly he is the La Liga correspondent it is his job to answer questions on la liga. I do not think I have ever heard him claim an exclusive deal rather when asked if xxx rumour is true or not he normally writes if it could happen or not based on his own interpretations of the context of the club rumoured to be interested in 'x' and doesn't seem to ever give a certain answer.
Spurs_Bear
Well-Known Member
- Jan 7, 2009
- 17,094
- 22,286
Ok. I don't agree though. Him and AC Jimbo are complete fucksticks, you can add Hongstein to that list too.
Coyboy
The Double of 1961 is still The Double
- Dec 3, 2004
- 15,506
- 5,032
You're a very angry man.
Kendall
Well-Known Member
- Feb 8, 2007
- 38,502
- 11,933
Dunno, but all signals point to Champions League qualification next season motherfucker!
C0YS
Just another member
- Jul 9, 2007
- 12,780
- 13,817
haha those are probably the people that make football weekly worth while. The ones I don't have much time for are Ashdown, Doyle, Steinberg and McCarra. Philippe Auclair also annoys me as he is very much pro-Arsenal but at least he is interesting. tbf with these shows a lot of it is about hearing a wide variety of different angles on things, none are bad just suit to certain tastes.
- Feb 1, 2005
- 55,664
- 205,675
- Admin
- #115
Where did he say that?
Sorry read this story a few times now, I saw it on Mail Online rather than this Guardian article....
"Spurs look at the age, thinking of a future sale. I advised them to sign Luka Modric. He spent a couple of years developing and started performing well and they sold him. "
Ramos said: ‘As a coach, what do you do? If he doesn’t want to play then he’s not going to play well. It’s actually more honourable to say “I don’t want to play” than to put the shirt on and go out there and not try. I understand the player. He wants to go to United.’
DJS
A hoonter must hoont
- Dec 9, 2006
- 31,279
- 21,788
No mention made in the interview of how we went on a pretty winless streak after winning the league cup with Keano and Berbs in the team and slid down the league into mid-table mediocrity.
This run then continued into the next season resulting in the infamous 2 points in 8 games lol.
This run then continued into the next season resulting in the infamous 2 points in 8 games lol.
I Think one of your quotes there was referring to Modric (his advice that we sign him) and the other about Berbatov's desire to leave - I never read anything in the article where he contradicted himself and said we shouldn't have sold Modric in spite of him acting like Berba
I think the over weight remark is probably relative and compared to what he was used to dealing with in Spain - like players who would not be considered anything like over weight in real terms with say 10-12% body fat but Ramos expecting everyone to have 8-10%
As for Mc'd's - it honestly wouldn't surprised me if certain members of our squad were eating there at the time.
