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Tottenham Vs Arsenal: Match Thread

Gaz_Gammon

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Probably old news around here, but I'll say it anyway: BREAKING NEWS! Jermain Defoe scored twice in his MLS game by the way!

Spam?! Really... what the frak is this world coming to?! Jeez Louise lighten up people!


I watched the whole game and i could have scored those two. Big fucking deal.

Dempsey got the Sounders goal and both former Spurs players have now found their level at professional football.
 

felmani26

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Should of been Paulinho for Bentaleb...Sandro and Chadli I would of left on.

Anyway I'm reviewing the game as a whole.

Yeah he's making mistakes but that was a good performance, certainly as far as this season goes. Lacking guile is nothing new.

I can understand the frustration, I'm pissed off, but you can't blame Sherwood for absolutely everything. Its getting ridiculous, seriously.

Arsenal only ever play one way, they didn't come to play for a smash and grab. They didn't even play Flamini beside Arteta. They were set up to attack but we forced the initiative and controlled the game - don't think I ever remember us controlling a NLD with so much ease even if we didn't offer enough cutting edge.
I entirely agree which is why you'll often find me castigating the players even more than Tim.

However, whilst you criticise Arsenal's one dimensional play, how can you possibly praise ours when we were completely devoid of ideas in the final third bar chucking the ball in the box and hoping Adebayor can make something on his own accord.
 

lukadownthelane

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True mate we need too make a lot if changes in the summer. We just don't have a brand of football anymore.
Exactly. That was why AVB had to go, but bringing in Sherwood was ridiculous.

I used to think that despite his obvious flaws the one thing Levy knew how to do was manage a club, but this season has shown us all that isn't the case.

We need to create an identity and that must start at the top. In order for that to happen we need a new owner. Time's moved on, football's moved on and so must we.
 

scat1620

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Fair enough and point respectfully taken... but can you please answer the question: If you had to do it over, would you still?
Well, clearly if we're doing it with the hindsight of knowing that Sherwood would turn out to be no more or less effective than AVB then no, I wouldn't make a like-for-like swap: who would? But using hindsight to argue that doesn't strike me as a very useful way to spend my time - in real life, we (or Levy, who was actually making the decision) can only make decisions based on what we know at the time. And IMO at the time AVB was sacked there was a decent-enough-to-make-the-gamble-worthwhile chance that Sherwood could have improved us.

If we really want to talk about where we went wrong with hindsight (and to be fair, I was arguing the point I'm about to make at the time, not just now after the event), I think we were wrong to sack Redknapp. Without thinking he was perfect or without flaws, I think he was much closer to the ideal of 'the right man at the right club' than AVB or Sherwood ever were. But he's gone and we all move on: I just hope Levy makes a better decision this summer when Sherwood inevitably goes than he did when making his last 2 appointments.
 

THFC 1882

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Played quite well but we lack the atlantic sea in front of goal
the season is finally over now, the main thing is to get hold of th fifth spot
and qualify true the EL again

European football is important to the club!!
 

easley91

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Ok so having just watched the game, that was a better performance than I was expecting. Thought we'd get smashed, which we didn't. A ridiculous (in a good way) early goal and that was it. We had some great chances just couldn't score. Considering I was expecting the worst, I'll take a 1-0 defeat and a spirited performance after the last two games.
 

LSUY

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Too lazy to check if true (hopefully one of you can confirm or deny):

Tottenham have lost 5 of their 7 last matches.. under AVB they lost 5 of 26 matches this season
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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Because AVB gone is what you wanted and that's exactly what you got. I'm sure you'd rather have Pep Guardiola than Sherwood. But shucks! I'd like Cheryl Cole in my bed every night, but that's not the reality we're living in. Bottom line is that there was no thought to what might happen by firing AVB at that time, besides destabilising our already shaky crew of misfits and cowboys while simultaneously dissuading any reputable manager by making us look like a hire-and-fire culture club.

Let me put it to you this way in a point blank question. You weren't happy with AVB, I get that - and now you're not happy with Sherwood, I get that too... my question is: Now that you know what the options are, and if you had to do it over... would you still fire AVB for Sherwood, or see AVB finish out the season before making that call? Simple answer, steeped in reality would be appreciated.

If we're playing that game. I'd rather we didn't get rid of Redknapp to get AVB tbh.
 

CrazyHeart

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Well, clearly if we're doing it with the hindsight of knowing that Sherwood would turn out to be no more or less effective than AVB then no, I wouldn't make a like-for-like swap: who would? But using hindsight to argue that doesn't strike me as a very useful way to spend my time - in real life, we (or Levy, who was actually making the decision) can only make decisions based on what we know at the time. And IMO at the time AVB was sacked there was a decent-enough-to-make-the-gamble-worthwhile chance that Sherwood could have improved us.

If we really want to talk about where we went wrong with hindsight (and to be fair, I was arguing the point I'm about to make at the time, not just now after the event), I think we were wrong to sack Redknapp. Without thinking he was perfect or without flaws, I think he was much closer to the ideal of 'the right man at the right club' than AVB or Sherwood ever were. But he's gone and we all move on: I just hope Levy makes a better decision this summer when Sherwood inevitably goes than he did when making his last 2 appointments.

Well, it may be hindsight for some, but others saw this coming.
 

riggi

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No where'd near as bad as I thought but crap to loose a game in the first minute.
 

THFC 1882

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AVB didnt change the system or formation, he changed players
Sherwood change the system and the players

Sherwood hasnt even until today found out what he prefers
 

Jenko

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Should of been Paulinho for Bentaleb...Sandro and Chadli I would of left on.

Anyway I'm reviewing the game as a whole.

Yeah he's making mistakes but that was a good performance, certainly as far as this season goes. Lacking guile is nothing new.

I can understand the frustration, I'm pissed off, but you can't blame Sherwood for absolutely everything. Its getting ridiculous, seriously.

Arsenal only ever play one way, they didn't come to play for a smash and grab. They didn't even play Flamini beside Arteta. They were set up to attack but we forced the initiative and controlled the game - don't think I ever remember us controlling a NLD with so much ease even if we didn't offer enough cutting edge.

do you think we would have looked in control if we were 1 up for 88 minutes?

no, we would have conceded an equaliser within 10 minutes. and we were at home. no, arsenal sat back and made us look better than we were, which is still crap.
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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Actually, I think this clearly demonstrates that firing AVB was a bad idea, no matter what side of the fence you sit.
Why? we were not looking a good team under him. why are people saying we had a plan under him? can you describe that plan to me. The trouble is Redknapp proved to many people wrong and they didn't like it and they thought anyone could come in and improve on him, especially a tactical mastermind like AVB.
 

scat1620

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Well, it may be hindsight for some, but others saw this coming.
And as I was hinting at in my post, I think that sacking Redknapp and replacing him with AVB and subsequently Sherwood was a mistake, so do I win the clairvoyance contest compared to people whose major grievance is the AVB-for-Sherwood replacement? It's all about opinions, isn't it? Clearly, ours differ.

I'm not trying to wage a crusade against you, but I did feel the need to argue against your point that people who weren't happy with AVB must therefore by necessity 'deserve' to have someone no better (like Sherwood) appointed in his stead. Because if we go back far enough then we can all play that game and it will end up with someone winning when they say that they saw it all coming when Bill Nicholson left WHL for the last time.
 
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Gbspurs

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Just watched the game. Actually find it more frustrating than the Chelsea game ultimately as Arsenal didn't even play today. Any team in the league would have beaten us today ultimately as we never looked like scoring and defend like crap.

Subs were terrible too. A draw wasn't even enough but we leave Soldado on the bench until 81st minute. What?! Chadli was our 2nd best player behind Ade but gets yanked for Siggy. What?!

Anyway at least this season is finally fucking over. Hopefully we can move on, Jan and Hugo can give us a go under LVG and let's try again.
 

SugarRay

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Just got back from the game.

Pretty good performance against almost anyone else but in this fixture its the result that is everything and again us fans are suffering.
Thought Arsenal were average at best and there for the taking.

Three defeats in a season to them wankers isn't really good enough, especially when we've lost twice at home to the spanners, been utterly humiliated by Liverpool, City twice and Chelsea.

Still, that's the season officially over for us now. Almost a sense of relief. Bar Old Trafford its not been enjoyable at all.
 

mano-obe

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For twenty minutes in the second half it's the most excited I've been all season. It was wave after wave after attack.

Sherwood then takes off Sandro and then Arsenal decide to attack, we keep Bentaleb on who didn't do an awful lot. Although Eriksen wasn't at his best he's always a threat for a freekick or cute through ball and he takes him off when Soldado could have done with a through ball or two.

I really thought we would win, then after that little spell it was slim pickings then I realised on the 60 minute mark we didn't have much chance to score. Gibbs got done quite a few times and he was gesturing to his team mates he was struggling and wanted backup, even then we couldn't make a killer ball.

We've gone from being in every competition and close to the top 4, to no chance of top 4, out of the league cup, FA cup, Europa league losing almost half the games in charge. If it weren't for Ade I'd dread to think how much worse it could have been.

Spurs' season is meant to bollocks up on the last game of the season not now!
 
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