Rafa Benitez

rocklink · Apr 27, 2014

yankspurs said:
In all honesty, I would agree. I think he is much better than Tim will ever be. But I would love Tuchel to be named manager, especially if we are willing to give him time.

I think with benitez , we can win one trophy and keep the hunting for top 4 ... then when benitez decides to leave within two or three years , we can go for someone like tuchel as tuchel will be more experienced by then... Right now what we need is immediate success and a big name manager to stay in the hunt for trophy and top 4 ...

I am not sure ... I will support who ever levy brings in but i think benitez is the most logical one given the circumstances

Spurger King · Apr 27, 2014

yankspurs said:
Well, at least he did take Chelsea through CL, getting 3rd in CL group and the Premier League and winning Europa.

And also got Liverpool 4 trophies(fa cup, community, CL and super).

And numerous CL qualifications. He had one hell of a team until he lost Alonso. I always imagined AVB as a sort of junior Benitez in a lot of ways...focus on defending and shutting out the opposition, then allowing more fluidity in the attack.

If we were to get Benitez he would also be by far the most high profile and successful manager we've had in several decades, and I'd hope that his preferences would hold more sway.

yankspurs · Apr 27, 2014

rocklink said:
I think with benitez , we can win one trophy and keep the hunting for top 4 ... then when benitez decides to leave within two or three years , we can go for someone like tuchel as tuchel will be more experienced by then... Right now what we need is immediate success and a big name manager to stay in the hunt for trophy and top 4 ...

I am not sure ... I will support who ever levy brings in but i think benitez is the most logical one given the circumstances

He is, but I think next year with Tuchel, i think would could compete for 3 trophies and top 4(we have europa with 6th apparently). I would rather try to get trophies and get CL with great potential of getting trophies next year and especially competing for title, if things fell in our place like this year for liverpool. Tuchel has one of the world greatest potentials as manager, like AVB had, he just needs time to learn from mistakes and develop.

Like I am convinced he was trying to cover the poor defense this year before he opened up. But he had poor plans against everyone but chelsea, in the top 4. Under sherwood I havent seen tactics or plans or any upwards future since every game but 2 have been awfully shit performances.

Gbspurs · Apr 27, 2014

Spurger King said:
And numerous CL qualifications. He had one hell of a team until he lost Alonso. I always imagined AVB as a sort of junior Benitez in a lot of ways...focus on defending and shutting out the opposition, then allowing more fluidity in the attack.

If we were to get Benitez he would also be by far the most high profile and successful manager we've had in several decades, and I'd hope that his preferences would hold more sway.

Lets not forget that losing Alonso was his own doing. Wanting to replace Alonso with Gareth Barry is about as questionable as transfers can be especially considering he sold Alonso before be got Barry in and ended up with neither!

ItsBoris · Apr 27, 2014

rocklink said:
I think with benitez , we can win one trophy and keep the hunting for top 4 ... then when benitez decides to leave within two or three years , we can go for someone like tuchel as tuchel will be more experienced by then... Right now what we need is immediate success and a big name manager to stay in the hunt for trophy and top 4 ...

I am not sure ... I will support who ever levy brings in but i think benitez is the most logical one given the circumstances

I know it's somewhat natural, but can we stop talking about the "top 4"? As long as that is our aim we will always fall short of it, because the teams the finish 4th aren't satisfied with doing so, they are aiming higher.

jolsnogross · Apr 27, 2014

yankspurs said:
He is, but I think next year with Tuchel, i think would could compete for 3 trophies and top 4(we have europa with 6th apparently). I would rather try to get trophies and get CL with great potential of getting trophies next year and especially competing for title, if things fell in our place like this year for liverpool. Tuchel has one of the world greatest potentials as manager, like AVB had, he just needs time to learn from mistakes and develop.

This is fantasy football stuff at its finest. Sherwood's decent but unspectacular record in the PL at Spurs means he should be dismissed, but this latest hipster poster boy emerging in German football would have us competing for trophies and the title if everything fell into place. If everything fell into place, you could have us competing for the title.

There was no mention of this guy until very recently, until the LVG bandwagon was derailed by Man Utd. And now there's just a renewed bunch of ~~serious research~~ browsing about the leagues for managers to decide who should be the new manager.

There'll be no magic wand, I'm afraid. Spurs won't pick some guy even less familiar with the PL than AVB, because that worked out so well, just like Ramos, just like gross. And tuchel would need his head examined to join spurs at this point in his career anyway.

ilikeost · Apr 27, 2014

Who the fuck is Tuchel?

nasescoba1985 · Apr 27, 2014

yankspurs said:
He is, but I think next year with Tuchel, i think would could compete for 3 trophies and top 4(we have europa with 6th apparently). I would rather try to get trophies and get CL with great potential of getting trophies next year and especially competing for title, if things fell in our place like this year for liverpool. Tuchel has one of the world greatest potentials as manager, like AVB had, he just needs time to learn from mistakes and develop.

Like I am convinced he was trying to cover the poor defense this year before he opened up. But he had poor plans against everyone but chelsea, in the top 4. Under sherwood I havent seen tactics or plans or any upwards future since every game but 2 have been awfully shit performances.

Sorry but why the fuck is everyone jumping on this Tuchel bandwagon the last few days? Yes he has barely any funds at Mainz but he has them in 6th which is hardly a stunning achievement so how the hell is this guy suddenly the next messiah and going to help us " compete for top 4" despite doing nothing of that kind yet in his short managerial career. Some spurs fans here are day dreamers. If we get someone in this summer then it must be a manager of experience for instance Benitez or Frank De Boer. Guys that have won trophies and got teams in the CL and not some young talent that so far best achievement is getting Mainz to 6th, ridiculous.

Drexl · Apr 27, 2014

I am warming to the idea of Benitez, he is not an exciting glamour signing but is a winner, best of the realistic candidates

Tuchel strikes me as the the German version of Martin Jol, Jol was manager of the year in the dutch league for what he did with a small team in Holland and at best was an ok manager here, far too soon to give Tuchel a job like this

Vincent30 · Apr 27, 2014

nasescoba1985 said:
Sorry but why the fuck is everyone jumping on this Tuchel bandwagon the last few days? Yes he has barely any funds at Mainz but he has them in 6th which is hardly a stunning achievement so how the hell is this guy suddenly the next messiah and going to help us " compete for top 4" despite doing nothing of that kind yet in his short managerial career. Some spurs fans here are day dreamers. If we get someone in this summer then it must be a manager of experience for instance Benitez or Frank De Boer. Guys that have won trophies and got teams in the CL and not some young talent that so far best achievement is getting Mainz to 6th, ridiculous.

But what did Rogers achieve prior to Liverpool job, or what has Martinez achieved, yet people speak very highly of both these managers. I'm all for established managers, LVG is easily top of the pile, but to write off Tuchel and just say getting Maniz to 6th is not a great achievement, is naive and uneducated.

nasescoba1985 · Apr 27, 2014

Vincent30 said:
But what did Rogers achieve prior to Liverpool job, or what has Martinez achieved, yet people speak very highly of both these managers. I'm all for established managers, LVG is easily top of the pile, but to write off Tuchel and just say getting Maniz to 6th is not a great achievement, is naive and uneducated.

It's not a great achievement though, it's a very good achievement yes but certainly don't warrant fans saying we will be top 4 challengers with this guy. What has being uneducated got to do with me not waxing lyrical over him getting Mainz to 6th? Now if he won a trophy and got Mainz competing for top 4 then that's a stunning achievement. To answer your question Martinez won the fa cup with Wigan which is a fantastic achievement and Rogers is just a one off. Not every young manager who has a half decent season with a small club is going to suddenly turn into Brendan rogers, get real.

makeveli · Apr 27, 2014

My choice after lvg, his got the experience , will mAke us more resilient , fed up of our leaky defence now , and bring higuian and hamsik with you we'll win the league

ilikeost · Apr 27, 2014

Vincent30 said:
But what did Rogers achieve prior to Liverpool job, or what has Martinez achieved, yet people speak very highly of both these managers. I'm all for established managers, LVG is easily top of the pile, but to write off Tuchel and just say getting Maniz to 6th is not a great achievement, is naive and uneducated.

Martinez won the FA Cup with Wigan and kept a relegation fodder team in the Premier League for several years by playing sometimes great football. Rodgers took a newly promoted team with alot of shit players and made them play fantastic football and proved that he can cut it in the Premier League and when Rodgers took over Liverpool they were a mid table side.

Tuchel looks like a decent manager but he is unproven and not a single player in the world would look at him and think "oh I want to work with this guy, he is the guy who managed to finish 6th with Mainz". We have no idea how he would do in the Premier League and at the moment we shouldn't gamble on an unknown quantity.

Wsussexspur · Apr 27, 2014

ilikeost said:
Who the fuck is Tuchel?

A manager who hasn't been linked with our job and probably 80% of people on here haven't heard off until the other day when someone mentioned his name and suddenly everyone Googled him & decided they want him to be our next manager!

sandros kung fu kick · Apr 27, 2014

Anybody else think if we got benitez he could hopefully give soldado some if his confidence back? With them both being Spanish I'm hopefull.

allatsea · Apr 27, 2014

Vincent30 said:
But what did Rogers achieve prior to Liverpool job, or what has Martinez achieved, yet people speak very highly of both these managers. I'm all for established managers, LVG is easily top of the pile, but to write off Tuchel and just say getting Maniz to 6th is not a great achievement, is naive and uneducated.

Martinez's Everton could finish below us despite our dreadful season.

hodsgod · Apr 27, 2014

RuskyM said:
It's somewhat unfair to say he dismantled Liverpool - for one, he built the side, and whilst he may have stayed too long, he wasn't helped at all by the awful ownership of Hicks & Gillett.

I love the idea of a Pochettino or a de Boer, but I really don't think we need another work in progress. We need someone to show us what way is up. Benitez is that.

It's ok to say he built the side but not dismantle it?

He sold Alonso and bought rubbish. He took them out of the champions league. League results tell far more than cup runs, and they definitely went backwards with him in charge.

shelfboy68 · Apr 27, 2014

Spurger King said:
And numerous CL qualifications. He had one hell of a team until he lost Alonso. I always imagined AVB as a sort of junior Benitez in a lot of ways...focus on defending and shutting out the opposition, then allowing more fluidity in the attack.

If we were to get Benitez he would also be by far the most high profile and successful manager we've had in several decades, and I'd hope that his preferences would hold more sway.

This would be a realistic and sensible acquisition of a manager that reckon we could get he certainly would sort that sieve of a defence out plus knows his way round the prem and Europe.
For me if he is available it's a no brainer rather than gamble on another young project manager again meanwhile we can keep an eye out on young manager's for the future.

shelfboy68 · Apr 27, 2014

hodsgod said:
It's ok to say he built the side but not dismantle it?

He sold Alonso and bought rubbish. He took them out of the champions league. League results tell far more than cup runs, and they definitely went backwards with him in charge.

Chelsea didn't did they in fact he stabilised the club and won the Europa League against the backdrop of fans hating him yes it's small fry compared with champions league but it's a trophy more than we have won in recent years.

hodsgod · Apr 27, 2014

shelfboy68 said:
Chelsea didn't did they in fact he stabilised the club and won the Europa League against the backdrop of fans hating him yes it's small fry compared with champions league but it's a trophy more than we have won in recent years.

They weren't really unstable were they, plus he didn't have time to mess it up. Why not look at his tenure in Milan?

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