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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The SOS Edition 14th May 2014

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Yorkville Spur

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Blackrat1299 said:
It sounds like we have the committee on this site using alias's to sound out the feeling of the fans!
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Heh. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a flunky lurk the site and get a feel for how the masses think. From this thread they're going to conclude they need to sew Pochettino, FDB and Benitez together into some kind of human centipede super manager.
 
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NHAndy said:
Somehow I can't help thinking of Pochettino in parallel with Laudrup: Brief but moderately successful managerial career overseas then 18 months with a mid-table Premier League team. Laudrup seemed to be revered in his time at Swansea for the playing style of the team as well as a decent league position and winning the League Cup.

Then a run of poor results and shown the door. I worry that Pochettino has had that nice little run but nobody knows what lies ahead. When AVB was sacked I think there was quite a lot of talk about Laudrup in here.

(Not that FDB would necessarily be any safer a choice)...
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Laudrup went shopping instead of taking training, poch watches nearly every game at every level. I love the assumptions made about poch without looking into it. Just waiting for someone to past that he doesn't speak English
 
Barry Mead

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HoltbiusMac said:
Almost everybody who has worked under Pochettino loves him though and the fans at both places do. Laudrup was apparently really aloof and not particularly bothered by the job seeing himself as above the job already. Just because they have similarities I don't think they are actually that similar.
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That's not true a number of senior players at Espanyol weren't happy about him as he developed into the role. As for the fans there wasn't too many who seemed too upset when he was was sacked there when they dropped back down to bottom of la liga

Here's some comments from one of the players that played with him and under him at Espanyol, it doesn't make good reading


"As a team-mate it was one role; as a manager, another," says Moisés
Hurtado, who played with Pochettino and then under him. "As a player he
had weight in the dressing room but as a manager there were later some
attitudes that I didn't share. He wanted to control everything. The
first season was fine: he'd been a player and he understood, he
connected with us well. But then things changed. He seemed to see
conspiracy where there was none and some good people had to leave out
the back door, and not just players. He wanted everyone to dance to his
tune, people entirely committed to him. The atmosphere ended up not
being so good. In purely sporting terms, though, there was no problem:
he got great results and we played well."
 
thinktank

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Bware said:
I didn't want to give you the negative thing, but justing checking in to say I disagree!

A lot of Spurs fans can ask an Ajax fan about what happened the end of this season. Because De Boer's Barcelona boner started to look a bit exposed and his unwillingness to change. And this is important when you have the words of many top coaches that this style of football does not work in the Premier League. You need to change certain things, and there's no guarantee De Boer would be willing to compromise. Personally I see Pochettino as a better fit.
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Been saying this for days - people who were frustrated with AVB be very careful what you wish for.
 
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@thinktank defo dont want to start an argument and i know you think highly of poch, but just wanted to know how many games you have seen of southamptons over the course of the last year and half? iv not really seen any of theirs or ajax's so unable to make a valued judgement tbh...just want whoever to come in and do well!
 
Yid

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wooderz said:
I'm almost swaying toward Poch... for no reason other than I think, given no more Levy-ing, he could stick around. I like the idea of doing a Liverpool (puke), and being a bit obscure for a season or two, really building a team, an ethic, a togetherness, and then one season it'll be us everyone is saying is "back" and "out of the wilderness" as we challenge for honours.


Or we could just hire Benitez and have a season of crowd chants and fat Spanish paella in the cafes..?
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I was with you m8, until you uttered that underlined bit in bold font. :cautious:
 
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thinktank said:
Seriously, wtf Ry?? They have played blistering, high tempo, technical, uber attacking, hardcore pressing football this season. If they had had 2 or 3 stronger players in certain areas (keeper for one) and a bit more quality in depth to fill out their squad to help them pace themselves better over the season, they would have finished above us imo.

This is all very, very strange now tbh.

I know most of us have been traumatised by Timgate, but the blind refusal, by so many, to acknowledge Tino's achievements is simply bizarre. In fact, diabolical.
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Its all about opinions mate some of us dont see anything to wank over but its your choice.
 
thinktank

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spurfetto said:
@thinktank defo dont want to start an argument and i know you think highly of poch, but just wanted to know how many games you have seen of southamptons over the course of the last year and half? iv not really seen any of theirs or ajax's so unable to make a valued judgement tbh...just want whoever to come in and do well!
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I've watched s'ton as much as possible as the football they were playing was what I wanted to see here and I wanted Tino as soon as AVB was sacked/Left so became a bit fixated with them.

He is 'the spurs way', this guy. Trust me.
 
talkshowhost86

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shelfboy68 said:
Its all about opinions mate some of us dont see anything to wank over but its your choice.
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There's a difference between that and acknowledging he's done a good job.

It's fair enough if people think there are better options but those who are saying he hasn't achieved much are just wrong.
 
dagraham

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Barry Mead said:
That's not true a number of senior players at Espanyol weren't happy about him as he developed into the role. As for the fans there wasn't too many who seemed too upset when he was was sacked there when they dropped back down to bottom of la liga

Here's some comments from one of the players that played with him and under him at Espanyol, it doesn't make good reading


"As a team-mate it was one role; as a manager, another," says Moisés
Hurtado, who played with Pochettino and then under him. "As a player he
had weight in the dressing room but as a manager there were later some
attitudes that I didn't share. He wanted to control everything. The
first season was fine: he'd been a player and he understood, he
connected with us well. But then things changed. He seemed to see
conspiracy where there was none and some good people had to leave out
the back door, and not just players. He wanted everyone to dance to his
tune, people entirely committed to him. The atmosphere ended up not
being so good. In purely sporting terms, though, there was no problem:
he got great results and we played well."
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To be fair that just sounds like one peer group at work getting the hump when someone who was on their level gets promoted and then has to be the boss.

I won't be tearing my hair out if Poch gets the job. I've been impressed with Southampton when I've seen them and on the two occasions under him at WHL what struck me was the good movement and how he had some journeyman players showing excellent composure on the ball.

What worries me is that they can't seem to chase a game and the fact that he has never been at a club that are even expected to qualify for Europe, never mind the CL. I'm also dubious about whether he'll be able to command the respect of the players (which is something we desperately need).

As I said, not a disaster but my main feeling will be one of dissapointment that once again we seem to have taken the easy option of someone we can control rather than appoint the proven winner that's staring us right in the face. Even if he's a fat Spanish waiter.
 
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