The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The SOS Edition 14th May 2014

Barry Mead said:

That's not true a number of senior players at Espanyol weren't happy about him as he developed into the role. As for the fans there wasn't too many who seemed too upset when he was was sacked there when they dropped back down to bottom of la liga

Here's some comments from one of the players that played with him and under him at Espanyol, it doesn't make good reading


"As a team-mate it was one role; as a manager, another," says Moisés
Hurtado, who played with Pochettino and then under him. "As a player he
had weight in the dressing room but as a manager there were later some
attitudes that I didn't share. He wanted to control everything. The
first season was fine: he'd been a player and he understood, he
connected with us well. But then things changed. He seemed to see
conspiracy where there was none and some good people had to leave out
the back door, and not just players. He wanted everyone to dance to his
tune, people entirely committed to him. The atmosphere ended up not
being so good. In purely sporting terms, though, there was no problem:
he got great results and we played well."

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shelfboy68 said:

I have not slagged him off just he doesnt do it for me.

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talkshowhost86 said:

There's a difference between that and acknowledging he's done a good job.

It's fair enough if people think there are better options but those who are saying he hasn't achieved much are just wrong.

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thinktank said:

Wasn't singling you out.

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Ossie85 said:

Maybe you should read this article and inform better about his time at Espanyol.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/nov/22/mauricio-pochettino-southampton-espanyol

Giving numbers like that is misleading

And even if we looked at that out of context, we can also talk about Martinez getting Wigan relegated, Klopp getting Mainz relegated, Simeone ending last with the biggest team in Argentina.....

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mill said:

Laudrup went shopping instead of taking training, poch watches nearly every game at every level. I love the assumptions made about poch without looking into it. Just waiting for someone to past that he doesn't speak English

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thinktank said:

I've watched s'ton as much as possible as the football they were playing was what I wanted to see here and I wanted Tino as soon as AVB was sacked/Left so became a bit fixated with them.

He is 'the spurs way', this guy. Trust me.

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brasil_spur said:

Actually that article worries me more than gives me confidence, the bit below sounds like a mixture of AVB and Ramos together:

"The first season was fine: he'd been a player and he understood, he connected with us well. But then things changed. He seemed to see conspiracy where there was none and some good people had to leave out the back door, and not just players. He wanted everyone to dance to his tune, people entirely committed to him. The atmosphere ended up not being so good. In purely sporting terms, though, there was no problem: he got great results and we played well."

"Sessions were intense and innovative. Players' shirts were fitted with GPS devices and connected to a programme that monitored their every move. A camera filming the game on a wide angle linked directly to an iPad on the manager's bench. He would not just tell players what had gone wrong, he would show them."

I honestly don't think that approach to management would work at Spurs right now.

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EJWTartanSpur said:

Ah, thee oldee work colleague gets a promotion and encounters resistance from said former colleagues when he tries to exert his new authority chestnut. Sounds like he initially tried to connect to them as fellow players, then eventually tried to install his ideas as the legitimate boss.

Some of that quote of the player complaining sounds great actually

Wanted people to dance to his tune ?

Wanted people fully committed to him ?

Ideal.

Id be more worried if problems had occurred in a situation where he came in to a club as the manager from the outset

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USAYID said:

I think that's exactly what is needed, and anyone who doesn't get on board should be shifted out of the club. Poch is not my first choice, but he has moved up to 2nd place now after reading this thread today. We have too many lazy players, and if they are not willing to work hard and improve, then they shouldn't be at Spurs. Imagine what our team could do with all the talent they possess, if they tried hard every game!

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brasil_spur said:

So did AVB, i'm not convinced that this adds much weg


I'm less convinced that we need a 'spurs way' manager. Harry wasn't that and was our best manager for a long while. We need a manager to who can get the best from our current crop of players whilst gradually instilling some shape to our overall squad and playing formation.

Personally i think FdB is the main for this job, with Rafa a close second in my view.

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brasil_spur said:

Actually that article worries me more than gives me confidence, the bit below sounds like a mixture of AVB and Ramos together:

"The first season was fine: he'd been a player and he understood, he connected with us well. But then things changed. He seemed to see conspiracy where there was none and some good people had to leave out the back door, and not just players. He wanted everyone to dance to his tune, people entirely committed to him. The atmosphere ended up not being so good. In purely sporting terms, though, there was no problem: he got great results and we played well."

"Sessions were intense and innovative. Players' shirts were fitted with GPS devices and connected to a programme that monitored their every move. A camera filming the game on a wide angle linked directly to an iPad on the manager's bench. He would not just tell players what had gone wrong, he would show them."

I honestly don't think that approach to management would work at Spurs right now.

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brasil_spur said:

But this is the same thing we had under AVB where players like Adebayor were frozen out. It's all fine when the manager is keeping us in the top 4 playing beautiful football, but the second that stops the fans will be on his back moaning about how he isolated players and hence why we're only 5th or 6th in the league and have had a couple of bad defeats with slightly boring football.

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Snarfalicious said:

The worst part is the inevitability of these same individuals using any instance where things don't go absolutely perfect to point out that "Poch isn't the right man for be job" shit. We all know it will happen. And, we all know how dumb, knee-jerk and invasive that shit can become.

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dagraham said:

To be fair that just sounds like one peer group at work getting the hump when someone who was on their level gets promoted and then has to be the boss.

I won't be tearing my hair out if Poch gets the job. I've been impressed with Southampton when I've seen them and on the two occasions under him at WHL what struck me was the good movement and how he had some journeyman players showing excellent composure on the ball.

What worries me is that they can't seem to chase a game and the fact that he has never been at a club that are even expected to qualify for Europe, never mind the CL. I'm also dubious about whether he'll be able to command the respect of the players (which is something we desperately need).

As I said, not a disaster but my main feeling will be one of dissapointment that once again we seem to have taken the easy option of someone we can control rather than appoint the proven winner that's staring us right in the face. Even if he's a fat Spanish waiter.

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shelfboy68 said:

I Can appreciate he has done well but I would him not to be in charge at spurs i would prefer someone else but Levy being who he is i expect him to be our New manager.

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Barry Mead said:

it's simply beyond me why he's being interviewed because he really hasn't achieved anything.

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