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THFCSPURS19

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RuskyM said:
if the rumours that we're bringing in rodriguez/schneiderlin/lovren/lallana in are true, then again this doesn't show a man particularly good at adapting
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To be fair mate, you've made some good points about some negatives to Poch, which is a nice change to some of the stuff I've seen over the last few days.

However, I do take issue with the point I've quoted. I don't think that him wanting players from Southampton shows he is bad at adapting. If he thinks they are good enough for our team, then fair enough, it doesn't mean he can't adapt. If, for example, Martinez came here, would you complain if he brought Lukaku, Mirallas, Baines and Coleman with him? No, of course not (I hope) , you would be fucking delighted.

I genuinly think that Lallana (won't happen), Lovren and to an extent Rodriguez could improve our squad. Schneiderlin, on the other hand, I feel is too similar to the abundance of options we have already, although he is a very good player.
 
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DaSpurs said:
He's undoubtedly said that to every manager he's hired, and every one of them have promised him they'd get him there. I do hope with obvious signs of improvement, Levy gives this one more time.
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I agree, but unless there is a Ramos style meltdown then Poch needs to be given 2 seasons regardless of where he finishes this season, Levy demanding 4th will presumably mean the sack next May if he doesn't achieve it
 
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Barry Mead said:
No point bringing him in then, Harry delivered two fourths and a fifth place finish in his last three years and was sacked because Levy wanted better than that. Top four has to be the minimum, lets not start making excuses before we even start, we are supposedly looking for a manager who can deliver CL football on a consistent basis, anything less has to be considered failure, Jol got us 5th place first 8 years ago now and but for the Ramos screw up we have been treading water around fifth place since, stage by stage approach now is OK but 4th and above
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Excuses for what??? lolers/manure/scum/shitty/chels/spurs/everton v 4 CL places. #maths

Things have changed, the dynamic of the top of the table has changed...our mindset has to change.

Go as far as we can for sure and aim for the very top, of course. But if Levy wanted CL next season he should have offered LVG or Ancelotti 20mil to come here and get us there quick smart!

Wake the fuck up people, jesus.

Are people now gonna say FDB would have got us CL in the first season?? Jokers.
 
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most peoples fears are because he has done nothing spectacular, in terms of winning anything, though that really should not be a prerequisite for a manager if he offers you a style that suits what the fans want and what the club wants. Poch has a style that we have all craved for, and if you compare him to the next man, Fdb then Poch's style looks more attractive, more fluid and more Biesla. Biesla's system has contributed to Pep Guardiola's success at Barca.

In the defensive transition, Poch's system employs a high pressing game (something that we lacked under Sherwood), in the attacking transition it becomes more fluid and many believe it will be to the benefit of the players we already have, no more slow, ponderous play that negates the likes of Lamela, Soldado and to some extent Eriksen. In essence, I believe that Poch's style will suit us very well.

My main concern over Poch, is whilst his system is very much like the style we want, it does not show me that it has long term sustainability, the Biesla school of thought for this system requires a lot of energy consumption and is quite an intense style to perform for 90 mins, it pretty much demands a high pressing game from defensive to attacking transition. If Poch can answer that with an alternate plan and still keep the fluidity of the attacking phase, then I believe we may have a gem on our hands, also it should be noted that Poch has not been at a club that will offer him the chance to fully exploit his ambition. Make no mistake, Poch is walking into a pressure cooker at our club and it could go either way.

Fdb, for me was the safer bet, winning has been a big part of his life, his success at Ajax, as some have suggested is not as impressive as it looks on paper, though that should not detract from what he has done at Ajax. His philosophy is perhaps the longer of the two to implement and requires the players to be responsible for making their own decision making. It requires a lot more from players and in my mind, over time could lead to whole new brand of football at our club, one that is coached from under 18 level, right through to the first team. I am sure over time this would give us a style of football that becomes our identity, but with an added ethos of attacking flair.

For me, I favoured the Fdb picture, because I would rather much longer stability, though I was also aware that to take this club forward every-one had to be behind the ideas, and It dawned on me that Daniel Levy would not have the patience to see out such a long term project, and neither would our fans. Sometimes I wonder what the expectations of the average fan at Spurs is. To give someone like Fdb time to implement his ideas just would not work at our club, So by appointing Poch it is at least giving the fans something they can relate to, sure we can have a couple of good seasons with Poch and hopefully get "our" Spurs back [whatever that is], but when/if it goes wrong, where are we then? Still for what it's worth, I hope Poch succeeds and I will back him and any other non-believers must too, whatever games I go to next season, I will back the team with a positive voice.
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You've had this on your chest a while haven't ya mate? ;)
 
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I think the biggest recent problem we've had since 'arry has been alienating players and poor football. Even for all his flaws, neither of those two issues are part of Doctor Poch's DNA. He'll not be running his mouth in the press or playing a AM/LWF in the middle of midfield against the likes of Liverpool, nor will he be moaning about not having a Hulk/Bale to direct all his play through.
 
Gedson100

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Champions League should always be the target/expectation/intention.
And as long as we're in there pitching, as Redknapp was and Villas Boas was, providing other issues don't cause chaos, then he'll continue.

What other suggestion should Levy make?
 
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I reckon if we do get poch, part of the severance agreement will be that he can't raid them for players for a season or something similar, Southampton would be mad not to insist on this...unless they wanna sell
 
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Keith Morris said:
I reckon if we do get poch, part of the severance agreement will be that he can't raid them for players for a season or something similar, Southampton would be mad not to insist on this...unless they wanna sell
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They will probably insist on this bit don't know if they can enforce. Swansea tried but Liverpool still bough Joe Allen.
 
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yankspurs

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BedfordshireSpud said:
Levy had better put his money where his mouth is then.
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Agreed. We had a profit last year, according to the club, and we definitely made more money last window. With the pl money, el money and the 20 mill we supposedly got from madrid for winning the cl, we should be able to fund some transfers w/o it being a necessity to balance with sales and still be able to put some money towards the stadium. Dont forget the PL money greatly increases from top to bottom due to the new tv deal with NBC here in the states.

Im no expert on our finances as a whole right now but i believe our debts had been wiped out with the 40mill received from Joe so we should have a somewhat clean slate to work with.
 
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Keith Morris said:
I reckon if we do get poch, part of the severance agreement will be that he can't raid them for players for a season or something similar, Southampton would be mad not to insist on this...unless they wanna sell
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I'm split as to the rationale to this for or not. On one hand, they would have another easily-provoked bidder with a former manager at the helm (if it's inevitable they'll lose those players anyway), but conversely I'm sure they won't want to be seen as our feeder club. Either way is justified.
 
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Keith Morris said:
I reckon if we do get poch, part of the severance agreement will be that he can't raid them for players for a season or something similar, Southampton would be mad not to insist on this...unless they wanna sell
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Doesnt matter, IMO. I think they wanna sell regardless. I think at the very least they lose Lallana and Shaw, their 2 best players, with or without a clause not to go in for their players.
 
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Scott Spur said:
Just a point on the perception that Daniel Levy loves sacking his managers. Here's the list,

Graham - fans
Hoddle - results
Santini - sacked himself
Jol - results
Ramos - results/bottom of league
Redknapp - talked his way out
AVB - stubborn as hell
Sherwood - lost the dressing room

While I can understand that 9 managers in 13 years is not good, IMO most of those sackings were totally justified at the time.....whether we regret them now or not.

I hope the new man gets the time to shape and hone a team, but if that means losing the dressing room, alienating the squad, trying to bore us to death on the pitch and then turning on the fans then no, I back Levy 100% in sacking the muppet.
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It's a gamble - whoever we pick
thinktank said:
Excuses for what??? lolers/manure/scum/shitty/chels/spurs/everton v 4 CL places. #maths

Things have changed, the dynamic of the top of the table has changed...our mindset has to change.

Go as far as we can for sure and aim for the very top, of course. But if Levy wanted CL next season he should have offered LVG or Ancelotti 20mil to come here and get us there quick smart!

Wake the fuck up people, jesus.

Are people now gonna say FDB would have got us CL in first season?? Jokers.
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I completely agree. There are occasional instances where teams play above themselves (Everton) but these are not sustained. Football is about the money and the gulf between the very best and the next tier is clear. The best players want the best wages. There are 5 teams who pay better wages than us and/or can afford to pay more for players than us. Simple. Over the course of a season the taxable does not lie.
As long as we are competitive and progressive then I will be happy. Until we get the new stadium - then there are no excuses! ;)
 
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I just hope that JJ would come in and declare: Poch deal done, and take Lovren with him. Abramovich went tired off Lukaku so he is done on free transfer. Would make my day... But we all know that levy is going for Neil Lennon...
 
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DaSpurs said:
Indeed, and apparently we got it from Modric even getting to the final, not necessarily winning it.
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If there was no clause on Bale, then I have no clue what Daniel was thinking. Even though we got a record fee, they still fleeced us. Add on clauses like winning CL should have been a must.
 
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yankspurs said:
If there was no clause on Bale, then I have no clue what Daniel was thinking. Even though we got a record fee, they still fleeced us. Add on clauses like winning CL should have been a must.
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What was Levy thinking taking a world record fee for a player?

Clearly fleeced. :facepalm:
 
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