The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31st May 2014

Spursidol · Jun 3, 2014

zzz said:
I'm just happy my memory isn't shot.

Wasn't it that he was just not responding to verification requests. No idea on his accuracy. Did he not come out with the information prior to Ade being dropped and BAE off to QPR?

As I understand it LLM used to ber a Spurs youngsters coach or some other similoat post (and hence picked up useful ITK), but that changed maybe 18 months/2 years ago and it was then his info sources were not so good (and/or could not stand up to SC verification requests) so he lost his ITK status

zzz · Jun 3, 2014

FreddieYid said:
To be fair to Ade, he was as good as gold when AVB cast him to one side. There weren't any signs that he was playing up or being disruptive nor did he use the media to vent his frustration.

There are many ways of being disruptive that have been linked in with a few ITK's last summer.

Being late to training, questioning the managers decision, being disobedient. You do this in the closed off confines of the training center and it may not become public knowledge but it can be a killing blow to team moral and cohesion, far more than a tweet can.

KidCOYS · Jun 3, 2014

I personally want us to sign Jay Rodriguez the most however CB and LB need addressing the most and I think Lovren is the simple answer whereas we should be looking for someone with vast levels of experience in the premier league.

Spursidol · Jun 3, 2014

zzz said:
There are many ways of being disruptive that have been linked in with a few ITK's last summer.

Being late to training, questioning the managers decision, being disobedient. You do this in the closed off confines of the training center and it may not become public knowledge but it can be a killing blow to team moral and cohesion, far more than a tweet can.

To solve the doubts over Adebayor Poch neds to first buy a suitable goalscorer/striker. No point in selliing Adebayor and then scrating round for a new decent striker anmd possibly failing - thats cutting off your nose to spite your face (whatever you think of Adebayor)

CornerPinDreamer · Jun 3, 2014

Spursidol said:
To solve the doubts over Adebayor Poch neds to first buy a suitable goalscorer/striker. No point in selliing Adebayor and then scrating round for a new decent striker anmd possibly failing - thats cutting off your nose to spite your face (whatever you think of Adebayor)

Chadli / Kane might be the ones to play the Lambert role.. then we need a Rodriguez.. Soldado / Lamela maybe.. and Eriksen in the Lallana role

no need for a new striker at all..

Spursidol · Jun 3, 2014

CornerPinDreamer said:
Chadli / Kane might be the ones to play the Lambert role.. then we need a Rodriguez.. Soldado / Lamela maybe.. and Eriksen in the Lallana role

no need for a new striker at all..

Agreed, Kane certainly could, although much less experienced, and I'd like to think he could do in a year's time, but a big ask now. Chadli could play there - but has only done so before in emergency : not sure he could do it on a regular basis.

So I think we need Adebayor or an alternative to lead the line this coming season.

zzz · Jun 3, 2014

Spursidol said:
As I understand it LLM used to ber a Spurs youngsters coach or some other similoat post (and hence picked up useful ITK), but that changed maybe 18 months/2 years ago and it was then his info sources were not so good (and/or could not stand up to SC verification requests) so he lost his ITK status

Thank you for the information.

ITK is a tricky pear. As to analyse information you need to analyse sources. In these cases you can't analyse sources, as they are linked with peoples livelihoods. So we are at the mercy of the admin staff. Think it's a fair arrangement.

Spursidol said:
To solve the doubts over Adebayor Poch neds to first buy a suitable goalscorer/striker. No point in selliing Adebayor and then scrating round for a new decent striker anmd possibly failing - thats cutting off your nose to spite your face (whatever you think of Adebayor)

Obviously all in's and out's need to be based on a plan of how Poch wants the team to move forward. Sorry i feel we may be straying away from the ITK. If Poch at this meeting feels that Ade is not the right fit for his formation, we could very well see him being replaced by what the majority may consider an inferior striker.

With reports we are linked with the Belgium lad, this very well maybe the case.

Franchise60 · Jun 3, 2014

only1waddle said:
With good reason.
Fact of the matter is he has history as a troublemaker, do we let that continue or do we chance that he feels "ok" next season.

wearing a hat?

AVB has a bit of a history himself when it comes to player relations, not sure how he gets a free pass from the Ade situation.

Bus-Conductor · Jun 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
Adebayor to be replaced by Kane would make sense, if we were to bring in someone like Remy who would cover the left sided role and of course could play through the middle.

Soldado, Remy and Kane would be a nice trio.

To be honest, if shit came to shove, I'd rather keep Adebayor than have those three as my options.

Spursidol · Jun 3, 2014

zzz said:
Thank you for the information.

ITK is a tricky pear. As to analyse information you need to analyse sources. In these cases you can't analyse sources, as they are linked with peoples livelihoods. So we are at the mercy of the admin staff. Think it's a fair arrangement.

Obviously all in's and out's need to be based on a plan of how Poch wants the team to move forward. Sorry i feel we may be straying away from the ITK. If Poch at this meeting feels that Ade is not the right fit for his formation, we could very well see him being replaced by what the majority may consider an inferior striker.

With reports we are linked with the Belgium lad, this very well maybe the case.

I've seen us linked to 2 Belgian lads, bith of whom I might like. But its up to Poch to bring in one or possibly both (if that is hios plan) before selling Adebayor.

If he cannot find and buy a decent strikinmg alternative, his alternative is to manage Adebayor like HR and TS have done.

IMO its down to Poch to look at both alternatives..

yankspurs · Jun 3, 2014

zzz said:
I'm just happy my memory isn't shot.

Wasn't it that he was just not responding to verification requests. No idea on his accuracy. Did he not come out with the information prior to Ade being dropped and BAE off to QPR?

He did, I think. Also, to be fair to LLM, we did hear that BAE did not come back in December was because the club felt him and Ade together is distruptive, IIRC. So there was obviously some truth in his posts relating to Ade whether his stuff is allowed or not.

Tucker · Jun 3, 2014

Franchise60 said:
wearing a hat?

AVB has a bit of a history himself when it comes to player relations, not sure how he gets a free pass from the Ade situation.

Because it serves people's agenda against Ade.

Spursidol · Jun 3, 2014

@Mr Pink 'Soldado, Remy and Kane would be a nice trio'

Soldado would be a huge risk after this season - need to see him do very well in preseason matches to resyore faith thatb he can ;perform. Kane isn't experienced enough ti be a guaranteed starter - although I'd like to see him get the playing time so that he could be a regular starterin 2015/16

Think its likely we'd need to keep Adebayor under thos circumstances

Gedson100 · Jun 3, 2014

Spursidol said:
@Mr Pink 'Soldado, Remy and Kane would be a nice trio'

Soldado would be a huge risk after this season - need to see him do very well in preseason matches to resyore faith thatb he can ;perform. Kane isn't experienced enough ti be a guaranteed starter - although I'd like to see him get the playing time so that he could be a regular starterin 2015/16

Think its likely we'd need to keep Adebayor under thos circumstances

Mate, your typing has gone to shit today

Mr Pink · Jun 3, 2014

Bus-Conductor said:
To be honest, if shit came to shove, I'd rather keep Adebayor than have those three as my options.

I'm very undecided about Ade. Of course on his day he can be absolutely fantastic. If Pochettino is happy with him I certainly won't be complaining but I suspect we'll be looking to move him on.

cwhite02 · Jun 3, 2014

Spursidol said:
As I understand it LLM used to ber a Spurs youngsters coach or some other similoat post (and hence picked up useful ITK), but that changed maybe 18 months/2 years ago and it was then his info sources were not so good (and/or could not stand up to SC verification requests) so he lost his ITK status

Wasn't he found out to be a WUM? He was ignoring any of the Mods PM's?

Bus-Conductor · Jun 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
I'm very undecided about Ade. Of course on his day he can be absolutely fantastic. If Pochettino is happy with him I certainly won't be complaining but I suspect we'll be looking to move him on.

I can understand why Adebayor might get moved on if Pochettino doesn't fancy having to tippy toe round his royal Togalise highness, just as long as we don't think Remy's the replacement.

EJWTartanSpur · Jun 3, 2014

I think with Ade he is a mystery wrapped up in an enigma. You never know what you will get, but the net cause is that people are going to fall very firmly in either one of two camps.

Whether he is a trouble maker, or a victim to managers with rigid mañ management issues is unknown but he certainly is paid a lot of money for someone who can be so up and down.

Personally, I have no idea whether he should stay or not at this point because I have no idea what the real bonified alternatives are re strikers in

Spursidol · Jun 3, 2014

cwhite02 said:
Wasn't he found out to be a WUM? He was ignoring any of the Mods PM's?

Originally his info seemed very good. However it became much less reliable later which is when the mods tried to ascertain his new sources but could not. so some of his later stuff was of 'WUM' status I'd agree.

Mr Pink · Jun 3, 2014

Spursidol said:
@Mr Pink 'Soldado, Remy and Kane would be a nice trio'

Soldado would be a huge risk after this season - need to see him do very well in preseason matches to resyore faith thatb he can ;perform. Kane isn't experienced enough ti be a guaranteed starter - although I'd like to see him get the playing time so that he could be a regular starterin 2015/16

Think its likely we'd need to keep Adebayor under thos circumstances

Yes I know Kane isn't experienced enough to be a guaranteed starter.

keeping Soldado is a risk. I'm just musing but the only opinion that matters is Poch's obviously.

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