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allatsea said:
I hope we are not mucking this lad about in the vain hope of signing MS.
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We've likely told him and his agent that the deal will go through when we deal away a foreign player as we're against the quota. Which is true.
 
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ebzrascal

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DaSpurs said:
Could not disagree more. Our central midfield had circles run around them, and you suggest remove the foundation of an attack in favor more physicality? The speed and technicality of quality attacking players can run for days around a physical three centrally. Power is not how you combat speed.

And the attacking players did see the ball, but not with optimal space ahead of them. The cause of this directly falls back to the central midfield. If they don't control a game and open up the opposition with incisive play, our attacking players will continue to be far too easily shut down by the quality sides due to the predictability.
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Ok This is the Chelsea team that won at Anfield don`t tell me we could not have done something similar you are basically agreeing with me that center midfield was a big problem. Also I am afraid our quality up front was also a big issue we do not have the quality of Stirling or Sturridge whose pace and abilty to go past players scared our defence. Our strikers tend to play in front of defenders.

Comparison of Chelsea team and what we could have done to negate Liverpool`s attack I don`t think that was an amazing Chelsea side in terms of player quality..

Schwarzer------------->Lloris

Azpilicueta----------->Dier
Kalas----------------->Kabul
Ivanovic-------------->Vertonghen
Cole------------------>Rose

Mikel-------------------->Sandro
Matic-------------------->Capoue
Lampard----------------->Dembele

Ba---------------------->Adebayor
Salah------------------->Lamela
Schürrle---------------->Chadli
 
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allatsea said:
I hope we are not mucking this lad about in the vain hope of signing MS.
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I doubt it. Would be very unfair to lead him on if it's true both Fiorentina and Spurs put in equal bids for him and he had to choose, and we didn't guarantee him a spot. Fiorentina have moved on in buying Badelj last night, so it's my guess that he's signed the papers and is done. We are simply waiting for a better time to announce.
 
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ebzrascal said:
Ok This is the Chelsea team that won at Anfield don`t tell me we could not have done something similar you are basically agreeing with me that center midfield was a big problem. Also I am afraid our quality up front was also a big issue we do not have the quality of Stirling or Sturridge whose pace and abilty to go past players scared our defence. Our strikers tend to play in front of defenders.

Comparison of Chelsea team and what we could have done to negate Liverpool`s attack I don`t think that was an amazing Chelsea side in terms of player quality..

Schwarzer------------->Lloris

Azpilicueta----------->Dier
Kalas----------------->Kabul
Ivanovic-------------->Vertonghen
Cole------------------>Rose

Mikel-------------------->Sandro
Matic-------------------->Capoue
Lampard----------------->Dembele

Ba---------------------->Adebayor
Salah------------------->Lamela
Schürrle---------------->Chadli
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I agree central midfield is the problem, but the direction of your solution is in direct contradiction to what I view as the problem. It was that very lack of pace and incisive bite in central midfield that not only didn't allow us to attack and therefore pin them back, but allowed them to come at us and have their way with us with their own gameplan. Increased physicality would not only not have done better at getting the ball to our forwards in more advantageous positions, but also would have made us all the more vulnerable to Liverpool's players who combine speed and technicality so well.

You honestly believe another bigger, slower player would have prevented that first goal? IMO, it would only have exacerbated that problem.

The very key difference between those midfield three you suggest from us and the one you point out from Chelsea each one of those players from Chels compared to ours respectively, is considerably quicker and more mobile. Hence, the problem.

It is with forward passing you pin the opposition back, this is so integral to Poch's system. This is the reason he's chasing more central midfielders, as despite having plenty of decently talented cloggers, we have no dynamic, incisive, mobile types who can drive the opposition back into their halves so that we can instill our own gameplan.
 
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I like the look of Stambouli after seeing his clips and reading about him. Key word seem to be 'under valued', and the Montpellier's owner mentioned him as the next/future captain.

He does look like Schneiderlin mk 2, the next in a new generation of players that will be termed 'defensive midfielders' - high energy, destructive and creative, very good technique. I watched a lot of Montpellier in their Championship season, out of curiosity mostly, but never noticed Stambouli (it was Giroud, Cabella and Yanga-Mbiwa getting the credit) but you can see from the clips just how vital he was then, and has been since in a team stripped of most of its winners.

As much as Poch is said to have identified Schneiderlin as 'the one', 27m is crazy when this guy is 5 or so.
 
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ebzrascal said:
Well I and others made this observation before the game... I also think we need to find a way of stopping crosses from the left back position where we conceed far too many goals!!

This is a lesson and the manager is paid to analyse the opposition and adjust the players and system accordingly. I hate to hear players saying oh we only worry about our game and are not concerned with the other team. That is plain niave and even stupid!! Maurinho is the best manager for a reason and Poch should have seen how he beat Liverpool and City last season and copied it as we have the players to do so.

Against some teams you need to earn the right to impose your game on them. We cannon afford both Eriksen and Lamela against Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea they will just roll over you. It is totally obvious... We needed a strong 3 man midfield to cut the supply to their front players and pace up front to break on them. Also Danny Rose does not need to bomb on every time especially if we are left exposed as again the first goal came from there. Its great to have a system and philosphy but if it is inflexible then we have a big problem.
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I do actually agree, maybe Poch overrated some of our players mental capabilities. Because that's where I believe we lost the game, in our heads.
 
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iluvsteffenfreund said:
You don't think dembele is a better player than bentaleb ? You don't think dembele did more in 30 mins than nabil did in 60 today ?
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Nope. Not in Pochettino's system, and neither it seems does Poch. Dembele doesn't shift the ball quick enough. By all accounts though, Stambouli does. Bravo. Dembele is better at dribbling. It's like someone saying Huddlestone should have played more at the expensive of Sandro because he's a better passer. Wrong player for the system.
 
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DaSpurs said:
I agree central midfield is the problem, but the direction of your solution is in direct contradiction to what I view as the problem. It was that very lack of pace and incisive bite in central midfield that not only didn't allow us to attack and therefore pin them back, but allowed them to come at us and have their way with us with their own gameplan. Increased physicality would not only not have done better at getting the ball to our forwards in more advantageous positions, but also would have made us all the more vulnerable to Liverpool's players who combine speed and technicality so well.

You honestly believe another bigger, slower player would have prevented that first goal? IMO, it would only have exacerbated that problem.

The very key difference between those midfield three you suggest from us and the one you point out from Chelsea each one of those players from Chels compared to ours respectively, is considerably quicker and more mobile. Hence, the problem.

It is with forward passing you pin the opposition back, this is so integral to Poch's system. This is the reason he's chasing more central midfielders, as despite having plenty of decently talented cloggers, we have no dynamic, incisive, mobile types who can drive the opposition back into their halves so that we can instill our own gameplan.
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Sorry but you are wrong on this... Sandro is our most agressive player and is the equal of Mikel, Capoue is agressive and has shown mobilty to drive forward and then if you add Dembele or Paulinho to link play you have a three that would have been more effective defensively against the Liverpool midfield.

As I have said I still think we need a striker who plays on the shoulder and runs in behind the opposition defence like Remy does... Our forward players had no pace to upset the Liverpool back line which in turn allowed them to push up and out number our midfield.. I guess the plan was for Adebayor to be a focal point for Lamela and Chadli to play off him but those players don`t run beyond the central striker to hurt the opposition.

Perhaps Lennon with his pace was the man for that job yesterday...

So tell me what you would have done differently or would you have kept as it was..
 
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THFCSPURS19 said:
Apart from the fact we've already signed Fazio...
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I know we have, Dier too! but i dont see us signing another CD unless Verts is off to Old Trafford. With Fazio, Verts, Kaboul, Dier i would expect us to wait until Jan and see if Moreno has recovered rather than go out and spend on another defender that will create selection issues.
 
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SSN saying he's on his way to london for a medical



Schneidelin out the picture then fo sho
 
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