Arsenal Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

THFCSPURS19 · Sep 27, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
The anger and bitterness - "They're not even a top 10 team".

Here's a video of him near tears

riggi · Sep 27, 2014

OTT! ha

parj · Sep 27, 2014

For me, this was a team performance with a few possibly not having the impact they should have had.

Lloris... Quality... 9/10

Naughton... I rarely know if he had a good game or a bad game as I don't believe anyone knows how good he is... 6/10

Rose... Better than previous games... 6/10

Vertonghen... Seemed to be a calming influence on Kaboom. And he is just class on the ball... 8/10

Kaboul... KABOOOOOM... Absolutely solid and would have got beat without him... Nothing was getting past him... 10/10

Capoue... In bursts he was quality, but a lot of the game he was just average. When he was up for it, we were creating or pressing in first half. But I noticed a first half arsenal attack where he jogged after the scum bag... 6/10

Mason... Not amazing performance, but I thought we had a new Modric. Busy, looking for the ball and more importantly trying to get forward. Hope this will continue... 8/10

Eriksen... Still adapting to poch tactics but when he was involved he was moving the ball quickly. Vital tackle that lead to chadli goal... 7/10

Lamela... Not bad not great, but still looked like he could be a danger. Fluffed a through ball, but great pass for Chadli's goal. Needs to keep going. Love his determination to get the ball back... 6/10

Chadli... Had a great chance first half but fluffed it. Busy and looked a threat. Great composure on his goal though... 7/10

Ade... I just don't know what to think when watching him... 5/10

Tactics looked spot on first half but second half we needed more energy which I thought Bentaleb would provide, but I honestly didn't even notice him.

Twizzle · Sep 27, 2014

Anyone have a links to goals/highlights ?

Matrix · Sep 27, 2014

I would have liked us to put our foot in a little bit more. Immense defensive display but we should have pressured them in midfield a little bit more. Just like what resulted in our goal. We let them come at us a lot.
More positives than negatives.
A good confidence booster none the less. Onwards and upwards for now!

ExpatFan · Sep 27, 2014

Blackcanary said:
There's restrained and then there's narcoleptic.
But that reffing WAS ridiculous - cannot believe he booked Chadli for that celebration. What an absolute plum.

And Gerrard did exactly the same thing earlier today (but with both hands to his ears) and, of course, didn't get booked. The club should use that video in evidence and appeal against Chadli's booking on the grounds of "inconsistency."

Matrix · Sep 27, 2014

Buggsy61 said:
Ade is so frustrating. Today he played like he had taken half a bottle of valium beofre stepping out, but on other days he is unplayable and lets face it he has very little competitionfor hs place. Lack of cutting edge is definitely our achiles heel - we are better equipped to play away from home and might have some more frustrating days at WHL ahead.

We could have had Welbeck.....

Scarlet57 · Sep 27, 2014

Twizzle said:
Anyone have a links to goals/highlights ?

Next up on MOTD,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16843787

Twizzle · Sep 27, 2014

This media is not available in your territory.

We're in Australia

spud · Sep 28, 2014

So what price a point?

There are two ways to look at this game. You might say that we are a new team with players who are getting used to the different philosophy and playing style of yet another new manager. Against a team full of good players with a defined style this is a creditable, hard-fought draw. It is unsurprising that they had most of the play. We defended our box well and restricted them to a handful of half-chances. There is some merit in this view. All of these things are true, and yet it tells only part of the story.

The rest of the story is less charitable. We have been led to believe that our new manager's preferred style of play is an aggressive, pressing style. It deprives the opposition of time and space in order to win possession high up the pitch and attack when they are least able to defend it. I saw that once today and it resulted in Chadli's goal. Once.

What I saw was a team that was happy to let the opposition have the ball. A team that was content to defend deep in its own half in order to restrict the options of a team that likes to pass its way through the centre of the pitch. In short, a team that came to the game with the sole intention of avoiding defeat and hoping to possibly sneak a goal on the break.

I'm not sure exactly how to catgorise my feelings about this. I feel a strange combination of disbelief, anger, sadness and shame. I watched my beloved Tottenham creep into the enemy's stadium too scared to play. Too frightened to even try to play football, to challenge the opposition, to impose itself on them. Grateful to avoid defeat, seemingly satisfied at a demonstration of what can only be described as sporting cowardice. I am stunned. I have witnessed humiliations, capitulations and degradations. I have seen us field a team of pub players and get spanked, and I have seen us field a team of internationals who played like pub players. But I don't think that I have ever seen us take the field against a team that we should be challenging and be scared of competing with them.

Where is the glory in what we saw today? There is none. Irrespective of how many points we got today - even if we had won - it would have been a defeat. A defeat for all that we hold dear about this great club. A betrayal of our history and our philosophy. (Sir) Bill Nick will be turning in his grave.

kythg · Sep 28, 2014

spud said:
So what price a point?

There are two ways to look at this game. You might say that we are a new team with players who are getting used to the different philosophy and playing style of yet another new manager. Against a team full of good players with a defined style this is a creditable, hard-fought draw. It is unsurprising that they had most of the play. We defended our box well and restricted them to a handful of half-chances. There is some merit in this view. All of these things are true, and yet it tells only part of the story.

The rest of the story is less charitable. We have been led to believe that our new manager's preferred style of play is an aggressive, pressing style. It deprives the opposition of time and space in order to win possession high up the pitch and attack when they are least able to defend it. I saw that once today and it resulted in Chadli's goal. Once.

What I saw was a team that was happy to let the opposition have the ball. A team that was content to defend deep in its own half in order to restrict the options of a team that likes to pass its way through the centre of the pitch. In short, a team that came to the game with the sole intention of avoiding defeat and hoping to possibly sneak a goal on the break.

I'm not sure exactly how to catgorise my feelings about this. I feel a strange combination of disbelief, anger, sadness and shame. I watched my beloved Tottenham creep into the enemy's stadium too scared to play. Too frightened to even try to play football, to challenge the opposition, to impose itself on them. Grateful to avoid defeat, seemingly satisfied at a demonstration of what can only be described as sporting cowardice. I am stunned. I have witnessed humiliations, capitulations and degradations. I have seen us field a team of pub players and get spanked, and I have seen us field a team of internationals who played like pub players. But I don't think that I have ever seen us take the field against a team that we should be challenging and be scared of competing with them.

Where is the glory in what we saw today? There is none. Irrespective of how many points we got today - even if we had won - it would have been a defeat. A defeat for all that we hold dear about this great club. A betrayal of our history and our philosophy. (Sir) Bill Nick will be turning in his grave.

'Spanked' 1-1. Jesus christ, talk about over-reaction. It was a pragmatic performance. Give Poch time to embed his philosophy and we'll be back trying to win.

haxman · Sep 28, 2014

kythg said:
'Spanked' 1-1. Jesus christ, talk about over-reaction. It was a pragmatic performance. Give Poch time to embed his philosophy and we'll be back trying to win.

I don't think he meant we got spanked today.

prawnsandwich · Sep 28, 2014

spud said:
So what price a point?

There are two ways to look at this game. You might say that we are a new team with players who are getting used to the different philosophy and playing style of yet another new manager. Against a team full of good players with a defined style this is a creditable, hard-fought draw. It is unsurprising that they had most of the play. We defended our box well and restricted them to a handful of half-chances. There is some merit in this view. All of these things are true, and yet it tells only part of the story.

The rest of the story is less charitable. We have been led to believe that our new manager's preferred style of play is an aggressive, pressing style. It deprives the opposition of time and space in order to win possession high up the pitch and attack when they are least able to defend it. I saw that once today and it resulted in Chadli's goal. Once.

What I saw was a team that was happy to let the opposition have the ball. A team that was content to defend deep in its own half in order to restrict the options of a team that likes to pass its way through the centre of the pitch. In short, a team that came to the game with the sole intention of avoiding defeat and hoping to possibly sneak a goal on the break.

I'm not sure exactly how to catgorise my feelings about this. I feel a strange combination of disbelief, anger, sadness and shame. I watched my beloved Tottenham creep into the enemy's stadium too scared to play. Too frightened to even try to play football, to challenge the opposition, to impose itself on them. Grateful to avoid defeat, seemingly satisfied at a demonstration of what can only be described as sporting cowardice. I am stunned. I have witnessed humiliations, capitulations and degradations. I have seen us field a team of pub players and get spanked, and I have seen us field a team of internationals who played like pub players. But I don't think that I have ever seen us take the field against a team that we should be challenging and be scared of competing with them.

Where is the glory in what we saw today? There is none. Irrespective of how many points we got today - even if we had won - it would have been a defeat. A defeat for all that we hold dear about this great club. A betrayal of our history and our philosophy. (Sir) Bill Nick will be turning in his grave.

Exceptional.
That is beautiful prose almost exactly describing my own feelings.
Great stuff.

Mr Pink · Sep 28, 2014

haxman said:
I don't think he meant we got spanked today.

Doesn't really matter what he meant though, the whole tone of the post is ridiculous.

People will just never be happy, or even content.

Had we won that three nil, with three good counter attacking goals you'd still have people on here telling us that its a sham - because we're not showing enough evidence of Poch's system yet.

Amo · Sep 28, 2014

Twizzle said:
This media is not available in your territory.

We're in Australia

VPN mate.

THFCSPURS19 · Sep 28, 2014

spud said:
So what price a point?

There are two ways to look at this game. You might say that we are a new team with players who are getting used to the different philosophy and playing style of yet another new manager. Against a team full of good players with a defined style this is a creditable, hard-fought draw. It is unsurprising that they had most of the play. We defended our box well and restricted them to a handful of half-chances. There is some merit in this view. All of these things are true, and yet it tells only part of the story.

The rest of the story is less charitable. We have been led to believe that our new manager's preferred style of play is an aggressive, pressing style. It deprives the opposition of time and space in order to win possession high up the pitch and attack when they are least able to defend it. I saw that once today and it resulted in Chadli's goal. Once.

What I saw was a team that was happy to let the opposition have the ball. A team that was content to defend deep in its own half in order to restrict the options of a team that likes to pass its way through the centre of the pitch. In short, a team that came to the game with the sole intention of avoiding defeat and hoping to possibly sneak a goal on the break.

I'm not sure exactly how to catgorise my feelings about this. I feel a strange combination of disbelief, anger, sadness and shame. I watched my beloved Tottenham creep into the enemy's stadium too scared to play. Too frightened to even try to play football, to challenge the opposition, to impose itself on them. Grateful to avoid defeat, seemingly satisfied at a demonstration of what can only be described as sporting cowardice. I am stunned. I have witnessed humiliations, capitulations and degradations. I have seen us field a team of pub players and get spanked, and I have seen us field a team of internationals who played like pub players. But I don't think that I have ever seen us take the field against a team that we should be challenging and be scared of competing with them.

Where is the glory in what we saw today? There is none. Irrespective of how many points we got today - even if we had won - it would have been a defeat. A defeat for all that we hold dear about this great club. A betrayal of our history and our philosophy. (Sir) Bill Nick will be turning in his grave.

Here we go, another fan who thinks we have the divine right to be the best team in the world.

Scarlet57 · Sep 28, 2014

Twizzle said:
This media is not available in your territory.

We're in Australia

Install the Hola plugin on Chrome and you can choose whichever country you want to be in.

THFCSPURS19 · Sep 28, 2014

For the love of Christ :ROFLMAO:

VoteMe4Prez · Sep 28, 2014

And that clueless grand dad Gooner is one sorry excuse of carbon

sak11 · Sep 28, 2014

kythg said:
'Spanked' 1-1. Jesus christ, talk about over-reaction. It was a pragmatic performance. Give Poch time to embed his philosophy and we'll be back trying to win.

I agree with his underlying sentiment - a key example was at 1-1 and we had a break with 3 on 2 and lamela free on the right I think and instead the move stalled as play was held and and ball passed backwards. We should have gone for the goal rather than be scared to try.
We were ponderous, slow and unadventerous. There was no pressing and we looked like qpr are did when we played them - we just stood off arsenal and let them play with no pressure on the ballholder.

Having said that you could argue that it worked. I'm just hoping that this is just Poch trying to get the defensive side sorted before progressing his philosophy.

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