Archway sheet metal works on fire

robin09 · Nov 25, 2014

parklane_B39-R16-S25 said:
On a brighter note...at least the fucking buildings gone now! Can we proceed with the stadium any sooner?

Building is still there, couldn't even burn it down. That's the strongest argument for it being a Spurs job.

TaoistMonkey · Nov 25, 2014

parklane_B39-R16-S25 said:
On a brighter note...at least the fucking buildings gone now! Can we proceed with the stadium any sooner?

no. It was discovered that it was built on an old heritage spot and is now part of National Trust.

longtimespur · Nov 25, 2014

TaoistMonkey said:
no. It was discovered that it was built on an old heritage spot and is now part of National Trust.

Now that would not surprise me!! :cry:

0-Tibsy-0 · Nov 25, 2014

weststandvoice said:
But you're not actually playing devils advocate at all.
You're trying to suggest that Archway didn't complain to the cops about threats in the past, therefore they somehow weren't that bothered, and so that legitimises the idea they burned down their own business.

The cops don't call threats of Arson etc by twitter 'long distance nonsense.'

Looking at Archway on Twitter - it's pretty obvious that they were reporting people, and that the were taking screenshots etc. Now there has been a crime my guess is they'll look at those making the threats and see what gives.

They were the wife of the owners words, not mine.

I also didn't call the threats nonsense. In fact I spoke out about that sort of action on here and on Twitter.

I was simply painting the picture of a conspiracy theory, to highlight that perhaps we are being a little too quick to simply blame any particular party. Perhasp not is all that meets the eye. Perhaps it wasn't a Spurs fan. Perhaps it was. Perhaps it was Archway. Perhaps it wasn't.

PERHAPS.

We simply do not know, and there is certainly scope for it to be a multitude of outcomes. There are motives for Spurs fans to have done it. Financial motives for Archway. And there are often accidental fires. And there are often Arson attacks with no motive.

They are all conspiracy theories at the moment, against Spurs and Archway. Because there is no evidence. So it is devils advocate, because there are many blaming Spurs fans without evidence, and I have put forward a different motive to compare the validity of the motives and therefore arguments.

Again, I condone no abuse. Just in case you try and beat me with that stick.

beats1 · Nov 25, 2014

Bobbins said:
I don't really see how this should effect us - everyone saying it's the worst thing that could possibly happen - I thought the same initially, but thinking about it, what would it really do to the situation and the High Court verdict on the CPO?

If some idiot Spurs fan ends up being prosecuted why should that effect the club or the bid? There's no connection between the two - it's not like Spurs could be accused of sending someone in. It's possible things might drag out a little if a criminal investigation needs to be conducted on the site, but the judgement isn't due to sit for months anyway.

Not sure this would honestly make any difference - we want the land, not the buildings. They were refusing to sell the land, not the buildings (not really). The only real impact looks like it would be from a PR point of view - people will make jokes, and the crazy owner clearly wants to create an arson case to somehow try and help his resistance to the bid. But it won't. If anything if the workshop is destroyed, do they even have a viable business on the site anymore?

It looks suspicious to me but more from the 'did they sort this themselves, or try to turn an accident to their own advantage' rather than 'could this damage Spurs'.

Their argument has been that Spurs having a bigger stadium isn't good for the community. This could help them

Mustard · Nov 25, 2014

TaoistMonkey said:
no. It was discovered that it was built on an old heritage spot and is now part of National Trust.

Maybe it was built on an old Indian burial site?

That would explain our shit luck.

And the ghosts.

HodisGawd · Nov 25, 2014

Update and quotes from the family on what will happen next here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...king-Tottenham-Hotspurs-new-100m-stadium.html

Spurger King · Nov 25, 2014

HodisGawd said:
Update and quotes from the family on what will happen next here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11252068/Fire-breaks-out-at-sheet-metal-firm-blocking-Tottenham-Hotspurs-new-100m-stadium.html

Isn't that joke in the article from here?

Bobbins · Nov 25, 2014

beats1 said:
Their argument has been that Spurs having a bigger stadium isn't good for the community. This could help them

Gah? How? Because it will cause more accidental fires?

0-Tibsy-0 · Nov 25, 2014

Anyone more legally knowledgeable than me...

Is it correct in thinking that as the CPO is about the land, then this will have no bearing on upcoming dates in regards to the ongoing process of the CPO?

beats1 · Nov 25, 2014

Bobbins said:
Gah? How? Because it will cause more accidental fires?

If its arson then they will say that more fans isn't good for the community as they are a bunch of hooligans citing their death threats, abuse on twitter, arson and etc.

This was always a period in which fans needed to leave them alone, that was clear when they made their twitter account from private back to public

THFCSPURS19 · Nov 25, 2014

Spurger King said:
Isn't that joke in the article from here?

It was on Twitter first. The guy in here stole it.

Bobbins · Nov 25, 2014

HodisGawd said:
Update and quotes from the family on what will happen next here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...king-Tottenham-Hotspurs-new-100m-stadium.html

The family have no idea and no control over what will happen next. The fire brigade, police and courts do. They sure like to talk as though they do, though.

HodisGawd · Nov 25, 2014

Spurger King said:
Isn't that joke in the article from here?

Looks like the write may be a Spurs fan...

Bobbins · Nov 25, 2014

beats1 said:
If its arson then they will say that more fans isn't good for the community as they are a bunch of hooligans citing their death threats, abuse on twitter, arson and etc.

This was always a period in which fans needed to leave them alone, that was clear when they made their twitter account from private back to public

For a start, "if it's arson" - that's a big if. There is nothing yet to show it was started deliberately.

Second, one arsonist amongst Spurs fans does not mean the High Court will suddenly decide that the CPO decision was incorrect. This will have nothing to do with it whatsoever - they are arguing a point of law, nothing else.

Third, if it turns out to be arson, the person who did it will probably end up in prison, thus preventing him from attending the new stadium. And since he probably already attends White Hart Lane every week, wouldn't this technically make the area safer?

Any suggestion that this will effect the new stadium is at best premature and at worst completely bonkers reactionary scaremongering.

HobbitSpur · Nov 25, 2014

Bobbins said:
If you were a really clever arsonist, you'd not leave the cans there, in case the police thought that no arsonist would ever leave two petrol cans behind, but then thought that a clever arsonist would leave the cans so the police would think no real arsonist could've done it, thus leading to a never-ending circular paradox where the fire couldn't have been caused by an arsonist, and at the same time was almost certainly caused by an arsonist...

Confused the fuck out of me, that's for sure.

So just for the possibility of clarification and closure, if for some obscene reason I decided to follow the career path of an arsonist, is it better to leave the cans, or take them with you?

yankspurs · Nov 25, 2014

This fire could just as easily been accidental and caused by something completely different than the petrol cans found near the scene. We dont know. So everything about who did it is speculation

HighVoltage · Nov 25, 2014

This the CSI SC thread?

Bobbins · Nov 25, 2014

TaoistMonkey said:
no. It was discovered that it was built on an old heritage spot and is now part of National Trust.

More likely to have been built on an old Indian burial ground - would explain a lot of our luck over the years...

EDIT: beaten to it by @Mustard

Bobbins · Nov 25, 2014

HobbitSpur said:
So just for the possibility of clarification and closure, if for some obscene reason I decided to follow the career path of an arsonist, is it better to leave the cans, or take them with you?

Both.

Not that I'd know, of course (hi there web-monitoring police dudes!

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