Maybe it's just me but I can't help thinking that, so typically for a young English standout, Barkley has been massively overhyped. He's good, certainly. But he's yet to show anything like enough to suggest that he's THAT good.
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Maybe it's just me but I can't help thinking that, so typically for a young English standout, Barkley has been massively overhyped. He's good, certainly. But he's yet to show anything like enough to suggest that he's THAT good.
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Not that I watch Everton every week but I've not seen him have a good match and the fans were getting on his back a bit in one match
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I expect Brendan Rogers to bid for him then, he likes to win the Possession Game
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I disagree, Onomah has 6 goals and 4 assists in 11 games for Spurs on my Fifa15 game. He's tearing it up
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I remember being impressed with him more recently and thinking "so that's why he's so highly rated", but I can't really remember what it was that did it. In the past I've thought he looked a bit meh and found the comparisons with Gazza laughable, still think they are really.
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I agree with your point here, but surely CL achievement can only help the young players, right? We talk so often about how we want our young players to win the U21 Premier League or the FA Youth Cup to have a winning mentality...why not have a chance to introduce them into the PL early on a Saturday at home against Sunderland after a Wednesday CL tie? I'd love it. We'll have to trust Poch and the coaching staff to succeed if they get us to that position next year!
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Yes and No. Alli is more similar to Onomah than Winks as I think they are both box to box, but Onomah can arguably play AM as well or better but his future I thought would be in CM as the b2b which may change now.
I think you can compare as if you watch you can judge ability without them having to play in a league. Granted the whole adjustment to the mens game matters but these guys are playing with adults in the u21s and if they are good enough they will learn to adapt anyway.
When people were saying Bentaleb could play first team football when we came second in u21 league I'm sure many would have doubted them, as he hadn't been tested in League football, but I don't judge based on how they necessarily in League I judge by what I see. It's why I still think Carroll will be good a player.
If we said Bentaleb would do no worse than Capoue and Paulinho many would have doubted us. Now seeing as someone who was untested at any first team level prior to playing for us has shown that he could perform and is still performing at a level above a French and Brazilian international, is it that outrageous to suggest that Onomah who is arguably better than Bentaleb at the same age, may be better than an 18 year old playing well in League One.
Out of curiousity and I asked this in the other thread, how much has anyone seen of Alli and Onomah to make a comparison. I find it hard, but not impossible to believe that some people would have seen a few games, but I'm sure there aren't many streams and I doubt many people would go to many Dons games if they support, so where are they getting their judgement of him. Is it purely his record in League One, and how many games have they seen of Winks and Onomah. I have only seen a couple of Alli games granted, but I reckon have seen at least 15 full games of Onomah live or streams excluding highlights. It's hard for me to say if he is better than Alli as I don't have enough to go off for him, but I think Onomah is being severely underrated. I reckon he wouldn't look out of place in the PL at the moment. However Alli's record is very very promising and points to good signs for the future either way
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I've seen roughly the same amount of game time from both of them. Maybe 5 or 6 full matches of Josh and 6 or 7 of Dele Alli (I remember the England youth games more as I'm a big England fan/follower). I'd say from what I've seen of them both Onomah is the better of the two technically overall, but I think Alli has the edge on physical presence both now and in terms of potential. The one thing that really sets them apart from what I've seen is their decision making. Alli is a very mature player for his age and I'd say he chooses the right pass/dribble more often than Onomah.
Me saying all this feels kind of pointless though, if I'm honest, because i feel both of them have roughly the same level of potential. Potential England internationals/Starters for Spurs. It's just at this moment in time I believe Alli is the better player. I'm taking absolutely nothing away from Onomah as I also feel he's a huge talent. He is a year younger after all and has time to improve on the things I feel Alli edges him at, particularly his decision making
Bentaleb, Mason, Dembele and Alli with most likely Stambouli for me. Possibly we will splash out on Schniederlin or McCarthy type and let Stambouli go as well but he has the rest of the season to stake his place in the squad.
Correct me if I am wrong,I can see maybe see Josh playing on the right side to begin to help him integrate. I think we are really well stocked in Mids for years to come, when we still have Milo's, Carroll, then miller, Edwards ect ect ect the list goes on and on ots going to be hard to choose who we can bring though.
Good post, from what I have seen of josh though is everything is to easy I think he needs more of a challenges a lot of the time, I do think he had a lot more in his locker.
I agree but dembele is a beast but moves like a gazelle. Would you not like to have a Patric Viera or Toure
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Yeah, I agree. They both would not look at all out of place in our first team. There's no doubt in my mind that Onomah is already a better player technically than Paulinho, he just lacks that bit of man strength, but it will come and I expect him to be a strong lad once he's fully developed. I'm buzzing to see them both play a reasonable role in our first teams efforts next year, because I'm very excited by both of them! I believe they both have the potential to be a Bentaleb-esque talent by the time they get to his age, if they stay injury free and the right decisions are taken regarding their development. I expect them both to play a part in the first team next season and that's where I think they should be if Bentaleb's trajectory is anything to go by
Freaky I read the first bit of your post and I was justing the exact same thing Paulinho has "man strength" word for word. I agree I used to play a lot if rugby 18 yrs old you had to play differently to how I would at uni when I played for my local club as adults are so much stronger and street wise.
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It would be novel to have a CM who could stick the ball in the net once in a while.
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A Toure absolutely. His ability to do what he does on the back of power in this modern age of speed and unbelievable technical ability is truly incredible. One of the most underrated players in the world IMO.
Haha sometimes I wonder if I've contracted a bit of PTSD from the last two and a half seasons, and am overreacting to how languid, lethargic, and cumbersome our midfield play has been. Frankly, once Bale was removed from the picture, I thought we were miserably grating to watch until Sherwood took over, and even then we weren't "pleasant." We've improved, but our midfield play still isn't quite where I'd like it to be. And so I'm a bit put off by sizable midfielders as we've stockpiled them in recent years and they've led to such abhorrent sense of urgency and movement from midfield. I adamantly want to see balance returned by seeing us go overboard pushing back towards a dynamic playmaker, someone typically diminutive with a low center of gravity and the consequent ability to maneuver tight spaces and get involved higher up the pitch. Haha miss Modric so badly.
But again, this kid looks like he's got plenty of size, as well as the athleticism. Would love for him to go on to be our Yaya Toure.
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I can definitely relate to that, as I used to play a bit of Rugby myself and I loved it, but I was a better footballer so stuck to that instead, but I can remember taking my first big hit from one of the men's first team props in training and it seriously made me think twice about going looking for contact like I did at youth level, I can tell you that! Lol
I'm only just turned 21 so I probably don't even have "man strength" myself, but I can see that it's the only thing that's holding Josh back from being a part of the first team over people like Paulinho. He's definitely a technically better player from what I've seen of both of them, although sometimes I look at Paulinho's technique and really wonder how he mugged us into signing him in the first place. I've not seen a massive amount of him, but it's easy to see that he's way above his age group in talent, so let's hope he can find a way to adapt to mens football fairly quickly. I can remember seeing that one of my team mates had started to literally hand people off once they got close to avoid being out muscled and having your shirt pulled and I tried it myself and now I never go a match without doing it, because the way I see it is, if a defender wants to gain an unfair advantage by pulling my shirt back then I need to take the opportunity to do that away from them and it really works and it's funny that you rarely get called on it for a foul, because technically it's not a legal move in football
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Nice. Shirt pulling was a great way to piss me right the fuck off, and so I would swipe my elbow into the guy's forearm. Extremely effective at shirking that shitass tactic. I'm faster than you, get used to it or it's gonna be a long 90'.
But yes, it will be interesting to see how Onomah and Alli's games are affected as they do start to fill out, and Onomah is at such an age where it's still possible he may grow vertically. As we've seen with Bentaleb, this growth can affect styles of play and consequently positioning. Will be interesting to see how it pans out for these two given how much technical ability each seems to possess.
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Yep, it's definitely the most frustrating thing, because if you're quick (i assume you are) and you get ahead of someone you know there's little chance of them getting back at you, but then 'Oh, that stride didn't quite work out as normal? Wtf? Oh, that big bastards pulling my shirt again!' haha. Once i got to mens football i knew that it really pissed the opponents off to have a 16 year old lad make a mug of them and they obviously targeted me more as i was an easy target, being only about 11 stone at the time. I saw my friend do it in training and i just thought 'Oh wow, that could work so well for me!' because i was strong enough to keep big men at arms length but i didn't have the size or weight to stop them affecting me once they got close enough to grab hold of my shirt and now i would recommend doing it to any young player in an attacking position because it completely takes away that opportunity once you get good at doing it.
From what i've seen of Alli he has already started the transition to a deeper position over the last year or so as he has got taller and started to fill out more, and in my opinion i can only see Onomah moving in the same direction. I can see him working out as the ideal creative box to box midfielder once he's fully developed, but that's just my opinion!
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