Our Squad 2015/16

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 10, 2015

Spursidol said:
OP shows 24 players - plus the 7 players we'd like to sell total 31.

I'd guess most would agree we need another striker/wing forward and experienced CM, so that makes 33 players.

Even if we do sell 5 or 6 players (hopefully out of 7 OP suggests we want to sell), that's still 27 or 28 players.

Yes there are a couple in OP who might be moved on/loaned out such as Fredericks, but its still a sizeable squad - and having 5 CB's rather than say 4 is symptomatic of the issue.

We really need to aim for a squad of no more than 22 players - and preferably a couple less - with a few youngsters coming through and making the odd appearance to gain experience and gradually stake a long term first team place if good enough.

Whilst I'm still hoping to have a great TW with maybe 8 out and 4 in, IMO we'll need another TW to get to the size of squad we need.

Carroll, Townsend, Fredericks and Yedlin may all be sold/loaned out. I think we need 3 more players in, which would leave 23 players. Apparently Poch wants a squad of 22 players, with youth filling up the rest of the places. If you are allowed a squad of 25 excluding U21, I'd say the squad won't be that big.

I agree that 5 CBs is too much, but I don't see what issues can be taken with the rest of the squad.

Everlasting Seconds · Jul 10, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
Carroll, Townsend, Fredericks and Yedlin may all be sold/loaned out. I think we need 3 more players in, which would leave 23 players. Apparently Poch wants a squad of 22 players, with youth filling up the rest of the places. If you are allowed a squad of 25 excluding U21, I'd say the squad won't be that big.

I agree that 5 CBs is too much, but I don't see what issues can be taken with the rest of the squad.

It's not 5 CBs. It's 9 defenders, offering multiple covers on every position in the defence.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 10, 2015

Blake Griffin said:
there's no problem with the age of the squad, it's the size that's the issue. a big squad is not a happy squad, for any given game half the squad won't be used, with a lot of them sat at home doing fuck all. maybe i've got this wrong but i think chelsea won the league last season whilst playing nigh on 60 games, all whilst having just the three centre backs - terry, cahill and zouma(who is younger than dier by the way), but apparently we need not four, but five of the fuckers?! what are we aiming for, to have one for every day of the week? so we have vertonghen and alderweireld starting, that means dier's on the bench so that's him having his development stalled. new signing wimmer sat at home after a strong season in the bundesliga in which he started 32 of the 34 games so that's him having his development stalled and fazio just in case three of the above happened to all be injured or unavailable at the same time, so he might get three games a season if he's lucky - i'm sure that's well worth the £8m fee and £40k a week we're paying him.

pep guardiola is my arch nemesis but he's got it absolutely bang on in only ever wanting an 18 man squad with the rest supplemented by youngsters. this creates opportunities and with opportunities comes harmony. our 28 man squad is a closed shop with no possibility for growth, we've seen this under redknapp where he always demanded a massive squad despite only ever fancying 14 of them anyway. disgruntled players, depreciating assets, youngsters with no possible avenue into the team, that sounds like a brilliant recipe for a club hoping to become somewhat self-sufficient.

Difference between Chelsea/ barca and us is that they're in the champions league so they're going to play the same players in that as in the premiership, we're in the Europa league where we'll always rotate a lot, if not completely. In essence, we actually need a bigger squad because we have 1 first xi competition and 3 second xi competitions, whereas Chelsea have 2 of each and barca in fact have 2 first xi competitions and just the 1 second xi competition.

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 10, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
It's not 5 CBs. It's 9 defenders, offering multiple covers on every position in the defence.

8 defenders is about right, 2 players for every position.

Everlasting Seconds · Jul 10, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
8 defenders is about right, 2 players for every position.

But we now have 9. Increase from 8 to 9 of the right players, and you in reality have 3 for each position.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 10, 2015

Way is see it, this is a seriously strong squad taking shape. A good alternative to Kane and an experienced midfielder and we are in for a good season.

Lloris Vorm
Trippier Walker
Alderweireld Dier
Vertonghen Wimmer
Rose Davies
Mason Alli
Bentaleb XXXX
Lamela Townsend
Eriksen Dembele
Chadli Pritchard
Kane XXXX

Then, make up the 25 with Mghee, Veljkovic and Yedlin, use any of Lamela, Chadli or Dembele up front in case of emergency, and ship out the rest:

Fazio, Kaboul, Chiriches, Stambouli, Carroll, Lennon, Soldado, Adebayor.

The team that played such wonderful football in 2011/12 and challenged for the title until 2/3 through the season was a team that became more and more familiar with subtle adjustments along the way. No more than that is needed here. a guiding hand for our young, very talented collection of central midfielders and an experienced pro who can realistically challenge Kane is all I particularly want to see now.

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 10, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
But we now have 9. Increase from 8 to 9 of the right players, and you in reality have 3 for each position.

We have 2 RBs, 5CBs (we only need 4), and 2 LBs. That's 2 for each position. Yes, Dier can play RB and JV can play LB, but they won't unless we have an injury crisis.

Everlasting Seconds · Jul 10, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
We have 2 RBs, 5CBs (we only need 4), and 2 LBs. That's 2 for each position. Yes, Dier can play RB and JV can play LB, but they won't unless we have an injury crisis.

There is no crisis needed for utilising all our defenders. We had 2 FBs on each side last season, too. Still, Chiriches, Dier, Vertonghen & Bentaleb all filled in as FBs.
We haven't got "5 CBs". We have 9 defenders. A perfect idea to compete in all competitions for maybe securing one outstanding tournament result.

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 10, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
There is no crisis needed for utilising all our defenders. We had 2 FBs on each side last season, too. Still, Chiriches, Dier, Vertonghen & Bentaleb all filled in as FBs.
We haven't got "5 CBs". We have 9 defenders. A perfect idea to compete in all competitions for maybe securing one outstanding tournament result.

I don't know what you are arguing. Are you happy with 9 defenders, or not?

Everlasting Seconds · Jul 10, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
I don't know what you are arguing. Are you happy with 9 defenders, or not?

Pretty happy. Not unhappy. (y)

Blake Griffin · Jul 10, 2015

Flashspur said:
I am still of the view that Walker-Peters wont make it long term. Too lightweight.

this is a silly reason to give for thinking an 18 year old kid won't make it.

Flashspur · Jul 10, 2015

Blake Griffin said:
this is a silly reason to give for thinking an 18 year old kid won't make it.

Well mate when your are sitting on the sidelines on his flank for a whole half and watch him, get turned, back peddle constantly, pull out of tackles...its kind of blindingly obvious. He is physically small for a FB in todays game and you cant turn him into a proper wing half or winger because his pace isnt in the same category as Yedlin. He'll be this years whatsisface...you know the lad who came on against Liverpool some years ago we thought would be jam, and wasnt heard of again.

Disconosebleed · Jul 10, 2015

Weird, I have almost the exact opposite opinion - Walker-Peters, from what I've seen of him (which admittedly isn't a huge amount) is just about the only kid we have that I think is a certainty to make it. Ahead of Onomah, Winks, Oduwa, Carter-Vickers, McGee, Edwards and the rest. The criticism about him pulling out of tackles is an odd one, one of the most notable things about Walker-Peters in the games I've seen is his tenacity.

Blake Griffin · Jul 10, 2015

Flashspur said:
Well mate when your are sitting on the sidelines on his flank for a whole half and watch him, get turned, back peddle constantly, pull out of tackles...its kind of blindingly obvious. He is physically small for a FB in todays game and you cant turn him into a proper wing half or winger because his pace isnt in the same category as Yedlin. He'll be this years whatsisface...you know the lad who came on against Liverpool some years ago we thought would be jam, and wasnt heard of again.

none of that has anything to do with him being "lightweight", if you don't rate him then fair enough that's your opinion. but implying he won't make it because he's a tad on the skinny side currently is silly unless for some reason he has no access to food and a gym for the rest of his footballing life. when you say he's physically small for a fb is this height or width? because he's taller than both rose and yedlin for a start. saying he's not in the same category as yedlin pace-wise doesn't mean a lot, i can't think of many players who are but kwp is still a fair bit quicker than the average.

Spursidol · Jul 10, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
Carroll, Townsend, Fredericks and Yedlin may all be sold/loaned out. I think we need 3 more players in, which would leave 23 players. Apparently Poch wants a squad of 22 players, with youth filling up the rest of the places. If you are allowed a squad of 25 excluding U21, I'd say the squad won't be that big.

I agree that 5 CBs is too much, but I don't see what issues can be taken with the rest of the squad.

But its CB's where we are actually very strong in youth terms, so the one position where its a nonsense. Better to have an excess (like 3, including maybe one youngster) at striker where we have no youth likely to be in the first team squad for a year or 2.

Flashspur · Jul 10, 2015

Blake Griffin said:
none of that has anything to do with him being "lightweight", if you don't rate him then fair enough that's your opinion. but implying he won't make it because he's a tad on the skinny side currently is silly unless for some reason he has no access to food and a gym for the rest of his footballing life. when you say he's physically small for a fb is this height or width? because he's taller than both rose and yedlin for a start. saying he's not in the same category as yedlin pace-wise doesn't mean a lot, i can't think of many players who are but kwp is still a fair bit quicker than the average.

...well let me put it to you in a more colloquial sense. He is a wimp. He doesnt have any aggro about him. He doesnt display any strength or toughness. He doesn't bite back. He steps away. He may be taller than them but DR and Yedlin look as though they can handle themselves in a dark alley. I've been watching football for 5O years man. I've played the game and coached as well. He aint going to cut it son. He looks good with the ball. He isnt very good without it.

SamR · Jul 10, 2015

BringBack_leGin said:
Way is see it, this is a seriously strong squad taking shape. A good alternative to Kane and an experienced midfielder and we are in for a good season.

Lloris Vorm
Trippier Walker
Alderweireld Dier
Vertonghen Wimmer
Rose Davies
Mason Alli
Bentaleb XXXX
Lamela Townsend
Eriksen Dembele
Chadli Pritchard
Kane XXXX

Then, make up the 25 with Mghee, Veljkovic and Yedlin, use any of Lamela, Chadli or Dembele up front in case of emergency, and ship out the rest:

Fazio, Kaboul, Chiriches, Stambouli, Carroll, Lennon, Soldado, Adebayor.

The team that played such wonderful football in 2011/12 and challenged for the title until 2/3 through the season was a team that became more and more familiar with subtle adjustments along the way. No more than that is needed here. a guiding hand for our young, very talented collection of central midfielders and an experienced pro who can realistically challenge Kane is all I particularly want to see now.

See whilst I agree with all the players you have suggested we ship out and keep - i can't help look at that team and think we are miles away from challenging top 4. I think it's strong enough for 5-6 again but we'd have to have a lot of luck to push out someone from top 4. I think we'd have to replace Mason and Townsend too with real quality on top of the DM and CF to really challenge. I like Mason though so would keep in the squad. Excited for season nevertheless and hopefully our kids can push on!

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 10, 2015

Flashspur said:
I've been watching football for 5O years man. I've played the game and coached as well. He aint going to cut it son.

So fucking what. Being involved in football for a long time doesn't make you automatically more knowledgable about it. In fact, it makes your comments even more embarrassing.

Flashspur · Jul 10, 2015

Embarrasging to who? Moi? No. As if your fucking opinion mattered champ. (y)

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 10, 2015

Flashspur said:
Embarrasging to who? Moi? No. As if your fucking opinion mattered champ.

And I suppose your opinion does matter simply because you've been watching it for 50 years.

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