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Manchester United Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

spurs mental

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I'm not reading through this 80 odd page thread. I can imagine there is some knee jerking going on if it's this big after a 1-0 loss to United at OT.

I thought we did ok today, started brightly and unlucky not to score through the bit of brilliance from Kane and Eriksen. Had we scored then our resolve would surely have been tested but I think we would have gotten at minimum a point. United, for all the money they've plundered this Summer, created very little, and I can only remember Vorm having to make one save of any note.

Second half I was hoping for a little more urgency and tempo, but it only came with 10 minutes to go.

Again, we wasted a couple of good openings, most notably Chadli when he got towards the 6 yard box and faffed around with it. Play it across the goal and any touch is directing that into the net. Eriksen pulled a good save from Romero, who I thought we should have put under pressure more when he had the ball at his feet.

All in all, there are a lot of positives. In previous seasons, like last, we would have gone into a shell and conceded 3/4.

Dier acquitted himself well, especially in the second half in his role as CDM. Alli was positive when he came on, and I'd actually like him to start next weekend.

Lamela looks to have bulked up a bit, and he should start next weekend too, considering how much he put himself about trying to make things happens.

The one thing this game highlighted for me more than anything else though, is our desperate need for a winger/striker that can get to the byline and cross it. Preferably not Aaron Lennon. I actually don't even think a DM is as important as a winger/striker. Berahino would be fantastic with Kane and Lamela/Eriksen/Chadli in a front 3. We need to get this done.
 

Dundalk_Spur

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Knee jerking???

I bet A&Es all round the country are dealing with an epidemic of dislocated joints.
 

diamondlight

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Dembele naturally drifts back into the middle and retains possession. He's generally strong under pressure and can bring the ball forward. I prefer him in the middle of the pitch and next to Bentaleb against Chelsea, we saw a very decent double pivot with those two. No he will not always immediately instigate some amazing attack, but he will protect the ball out from our keeper and win it back when we are defending. Ideally he needs to play next to a more visionary, but similar CM and unfortunately we don't have one.
I don't think he necessarily needs to play next to a visionary CM. He needs to play in a 442, with proper wingers who attack full backs. His job should be to do the simple things he does so well: protect the ball, give it to the wingers, or, if the opposition drop off, drive forward. All this buggering around in a midfield 3 (or is it a forward 3?) is doing no-one any favours, especially Dembele.
 

TEESSIDE1

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Having seen the goal re-emphasises our need for pace up top as if we had it we wouldn't be reliant on the full backs being deep in the opposition half, leaving the centre backs woefully exposed if and when we lose the ball.
 

Ledley's Right Foot

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Thought we played well today, didn't give too many chances away and created some good opportunities. Promising signs for the season and make no mistake, this is a very good utd team that will be within 5 points of 1st with 5 matches to go. Walker was unlucky, got back and nearly saved us but Bentaleb, don't let this become a habit (I'm starting to lose count of the goals conceded through his misplaced passes). Yes, take risks with the forward passing, we need that creativity, but come on, not when we're outnumbered on the counter attack.
 

Hot Spur

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Eriksen needs to buck himself up, all this hype about him being class and he does fuck all way too often.

He was playing the central attacking role, the pitch is his oyster and he should be pulling the strings and providing chances for Kane.

Otherwise as I said earlier drop him and play someone who cares.

We've got Dembele, Pritchard, Mason could even do a job further up so he has to be playing out of his skin to keep the spot. Chadli can also play in the middle.

I'd love to see us just play with 3 pacey bastard wingers in that attacking trio and run the shit out of teams lol.
Around the time we bought Eriksen I remember reading comments by Ajax fans saying that he all too often "disappears" for large parts of games. His Denmark International manager also slated him for not pulling his weight.
 

Sweetsman

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Du siehst den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht

Something that could apply to many here.
Oh really? Ya think? I was actually agreeing with you and can see the wood very clearly: I am not at all disheartened by our display. Man U's strength is their forward line and we restricted that.
 

TropicalYid

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Around the time we bought Eriksen I remember reading comments by Ajax fans saying that he all too often "disappears" for large parts of games. His Denmark International manager also slated him for not pulling his weight.

Jesus, the guy is what, 22 ? Hes been one of the few good signings in the last couple of years.
 

TEESSIDE1

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Jesus, the guy is what, 22 ? Hes been one of the few good signings in the last couple of years.

He's in the same boat as Chadli, scoring 10 league goals a season is very good but it's unacceptable to go MIA for half a season. You can't play like that, especially in the most competitive league in world football. It's a team game, you slack off and the team suffers.
 

rio bryan

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Typical Bentaleb really. Not bashing the guy but he is always far to casual with his passing and its happened time and time again. When he gave that ball away, Pochettino turned away in disgust and headed back to the bench knowing what was next... a Man Utd goal! Bentaleb really needs to get the passing sorted, its awful he can't pass 15 yards still.
The way we play we are occasionley going to give the ball away in midfield, as long as the defense is organised then it shouldn't be a problem, yesterday Alderveireld made the wrong decision in leaving Rooney to come across to cover so is as much to blame as Bentaleb, something i have not seen mentioned on here.
 

TEESSIDE1

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The way we play we are occasionley going to give the ball away in midfield, as long as the defense is organised then it shouldn't be a problem, yesterday Alderveireld made the wrong decision in leaving Rooney to come across to cover so is as much to blame as Bentaleb, something i have not seen mentioned on here.

Toby was dragged out of position because we only had 2 players in our half, Walker and Davies were a good 30-40 yards away and although Walker sprinted back he did hesitate when we 1st lost the ball before trying to chase back... hesitation costs goals.
 

arunspurs

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Also today was the perfect example of why inverted wingers just aren't a great idea (unless they're world beaters)

We made nothing for Harry but had a couple of opportunities to get to the by-line. Chadli, Dembele, Eriksen all guilty.

TBF Kane should have squared it when he was through for 1-0.

Problem is not with inverted wingers. Loads of teams have them. Problem is Chadli & Lamela are not consistent enough. We need better quality wing forwards.
 

arunspurs

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Its a good performance by us. But key is to improve. We got to improve against Stoke. This performance will mean nothing if we draw or lose to Stoke next week.

Next fixtures are Stoke (H), Leicester (A), Everton (A), Sunderland (H), Palace (A) and then play City (H).
We have to go on a good mini run.
 

jolsnogross

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Unless we start taking chances to make chances, we'll be a solid top half side and no more. Last season was a success and 5th is a lot better than I predicted we'd get. But 80% plus of the games were instantly forgettable. The formation, the tempo, and the general lack of urgency and aggression are going to hinder us all season long unless we start to vary it up. The bench today was a pretty depressing sight, unless you're still a Lamela believer. We may know how to press teams better, but we don't know how to pressure them.

There's plenty of sense behind the idea of us needing to sign defenders this summer, given our goals against last year. And we have addressed it, hopefully quite decisively with Alderweireld. But we need to sign a striker, and more than one at that. IT should have happened before the season started, like proper clubs do for the most part. But looking forward, if we don't address this, we'll be very easy to play against for much of the season. And we'll need those defenders at their best as other sides cede possession for cutting edge, while we do the opposite.
 

Cheds

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Eriksen is only 1 player. If he isn't receiving the ball in the right place or when he lays the ball off the next pass is back to the keeper, what is he supposed to do?
Make an effort defensively.watched him quite closely and he is only interested when the ball comes to him.Even with the ball his accuracy has been poor for a while now.The problem is we all know he's capable of producing that one moment of brilliance so we are scared to leave him out.but truth be told we just haven't seen that of late.think the feel/excuse offered end of last season was he was knackered...but doesn't look to have changed to me.im a big fan when he's on form but maybe we need to consider the team dynamic and give one of the younger players a go now?
 

carpediem1906

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The usual wide collection of awful to good comments in here today.

Given we are missing some vital components ie pace and a CM, I thought we did well today and can take positives out of the game...

Our possession/ball retention for the first 20 odd mins up to the goal was excellent apart from 1-2 misplaced passes.

Game of small margins. Kane put in Eriksen with a lovely chipped pass, what if he had buried it instead of missing by inches ?

We were rattled after the goal which was to be expected but at least as much of this passage of play was due to Utd actually playing better.

Back 5 were all very good today and is a good sign going forward. To limit Utd to 1 shot on target at Old Trafford is to be applauded no matter how poor it is perceived that Utd played. We at least had a hand in them doing so. Alderweireld and Walker were both excellent I felt.

'' why did we wait until the 85th minute to start playing like that?''

Find those kind of comments a bit funny tbh. The reverse one is when we are 1 goal up and we get 'why did we start flapping about with 5 mins to go ?'

The crowd get antsy, the players begin to get a little antsy and slowly and subconsciously start retreating a little deeper. When that time came today with Utd, I thought we did a good job of making the last 5-10 mins pretty uncomfortable for them. If the ball had rolled a slightly different way once out of about 3-4 moments we could have been looking at 1-1.

Conclusion - we are clearly short on pace and a bigger CM presence and need to sort that. Given this isn't the manager or players fault, I thought we acquitted ourselves well today and tbh we should be the happier set of fans if you look beyond the score line.

Lastly, Hugo is so good I'd have fancied him to get a sneaky hand on Walkers unlucky stab into the goal.


Agree with most points

Except, I reckon Hugo would have been quicker off his line and closed the angle on Rooney
 
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