Clinton N'Jie SIGNED

Danners9 · Aug 11, 2015

thebenjamin said:
Can you coach a first touch at 21 years old? Surely that's something a player should have by now. Why on earth would we be signing a player known for having poor touch?

I would presume any player can be coached. Why can't they? do their brains stop working at a certain age?

Maybe the club don't think he does. Radical thought, I know. Fans aren't always right, especially those about to lose a player. Like saying 'nah, didn't like her anyway..' after you've been dumped.

spacessships · Aug 11, 2015

SpartanSpur said:
The selfish argument for example is a stupid one. 7 assists, mostly to Lacazette alone suggest he is far from selfish. He might be raw and unpredictable but so are the likes of Bolasie and Mane but they do well here. Pace scares PL defenders. I'm tired of having supremely skilled players who cause little threat the opposition (Dembele I'm looking at you), I'm up for a raw but promising one that crucially seems to have that output (so more Mane than Bolasie thankfully).

Probably is a good deal for Lyon (other options, helps keep Lacazette) but could be a great one for us also. He has the tools to be excellent but if not he will still have uses. Gamble worth taking for us as the stakes are relatively low.

Initially I agree with you (particularly the Dembele bit) but doesn't this describe Lennon and Townsend to a T?

thebenjamin · Aug 11, 2015

Danners9 said:
I would presume any player can be coached. Why can't they? do their brains stop working at a certain age?

Maybe the club don't think he does. Radical thought, I know. Fans aren't always right, especially those about to lose a player. Like saying 'nah, didn't like her anyway..' after you've been dumped.

Technical ability has a ceiling though, at some point coaching becomes tactical and about learning the game.

Could you coach Fazio to have a first touch like Eriksen's? Unlikely.

andyp8080 · Aug 11, 2015

Imnotacticalgenius said:
Stambouli, Davies, Fazio, Yedlin say hi. MoPo will look who deserve to play during training. Train hard consistently and the player will be on MoPo's good book.

how many of them were Poch's picks in the first place? One hopes that N'Jie is someone that Poch and Mitchell have selected

strader · Aug 11, 2015

Mr Pink said:
I think he'll be involved relatively quickly.

Most players who have blistering pace who come to the prem have a real chance of making an impact if they can form a good understanding with the players around them.

This signing will hopefully give the side a completely different dynamic.

adding to this is his decision making, he is an intelligent player. Happy days,

Danners9 · Aug 11, 2015

thebenjamin said:
Technical ability has a ceiling though, at some point coaching becomes tactical and about learning the game.

Could you coach Fazio to have a first touch like Eriksen's? Unlikely.

21, though.. I don't agree there.

Could you coach Eriksen to be a defender? I doubt that, too. So what are you getting at? I would have thought a more relevant comparison would be someone like Thierry Henry who went from being ineffective as a winger at Juve to become a devastating wide forward for them. He already had the pace, did well at Monaco, not so sure about the technique (genuinely don't remember), but in a new position with a new manager and teammates he flourished. Clearly the club see something in N'Jie and I doubt it's purely based on the stats. Well, hope not anyway.

Monkey boy · Aug 11, 2015

Not liking those comments one bit. Have always said the best way to judge a player is by listening to his own fans reactions to the potential sale as they are the ones who would watch them for 90 minutes every week. The comments posted are probably word for word what would be posted about our very own Andros and god knows how much we don't need one Townsend let alone 2 of the buggers.

danielneeds · Aug 11, 2015

thebenjamin said:
Can you coach a first touch at 21 years old? Surely that's something a player should have by now. Why on earth would we be signing a player known for having poor touch?

You can't coach him the touch of Zidane at 21 no. But you can tailor your tactics to his strengths. For instance, don't ask him to come short and take lots of tight passes under pressure where great control is needed, but instead ask him to attack space in the channels and knock balls into him.

thebenjamin · Aug 11, 2015

Danners9 said:
21, though.. I don't agree there.

Could you coach Eriksen to be a defender? I doubt that, too. So what are you getting at? I would have thought a more relevant comparison would be someone like Thierry Henry who went from being ineffective as a winger at Juve to become a devastating wide forward for them. He already had the pace, did well at Monaco, not so sure about the technique (genuinely don't remember), but in a new position with a new manager and teammates he flourished. Clearly the club see something in N'Jie and I doubt it's purely based on the stats. Well, hope not anyway.

I'm just saying you're not going to suddenly improve someone's first touch at 21. What are you going to teach them that they haven't been doing, or the Lyon coaches haven't been doing? Touch is down to natural ability.

Henry I think was very much about learning how to use his own natural ability in a more effective way.

thebenjamin · Aug 11, 2015

danielneeds said:
You can't coach him the touch of Zidane at 21 no. But you can tailor your tactics to his strengths. For instance, don't ask him to come short and take lots of tight passes where great control is needed, but instead ask him to attack space in the channels and knock balls into him.

Yeah absolutely. My worry there is that basically renders him useless for home games against majority deep lying 2 blocks of 4. I can see him being handy as a sub away from home against tired legs, but I wish given our obvious deficiencies on both the left and the right of our attack we could find a player who has more to their game than just a bit of pace over the top.

Danners9 · Aug 11, 2015

thebenjamin said:
I'm just saying you're not going to suddenly improve someone's first touch at 21. What are you going to teach them that they haven't been doing?, or the Lyon coaches haven't been doing? Touch is down to natural ability.

Henry I think was very much about learning how to use his own natural ability in a more effective way.

Don't you think Spurs would do the same thing?

strader · Aug 11, 2015

I have followed his career and honestly I am a bit surprised Lyon are letting him leave if the rumours are true, I am more surprised with the price tag. Hey, our again is their loss.

pros- pace, intelligence, assist, scores, young, price tag is not crazy. Reseller value check ( happy days for levy)

cons - lacks physical attribute however you don't need to be a monster to succeed in this league, new to EPL.

Imnotacticalgenius · Aug 11, 2015

andyp8080 said:
how many of them were Poch's picks in the first place? One hopes that N'Jie is someone that Poch and Mitchell have selected

Personally, i think Stambouli and Yedlin are not.......in truth, we will never know (although ITK alluded that Stambouli was not). Best is the player to work hard during training and consistently hope to impress MoPo

JUSTINSIGNAL · Aug 11, 2015

thebenjamin said:
Yeah absolutely. My worry there is that basically renders him useless for home games against majority deep lying 2 blocks of 4.

Do you really not think this has been taken into consideration? The club are just about to make a multi-million pound investment, they have assembled a new scouting and recruitment team specifically to uncover gems who can be moulded to fit Poch's team and you don't think they took something as basic as his first touch into consideration? Really?

thebenjamin · Aug 11, 2015

Danners9 said:
Don't you think Spurs would do the same thing?

Well yes but the amount of natural ability present is the pertinent question. I'm wondering if someone who still has poor touch at 21 is ever going to improve. Thierry Henry always had tremendous ability but didn't know how to harness it. Hence why he was a big money signing for Juventus at such a young age.

wiggo24 · Aug 11, 2015

Still don't understand why the Werner stuff has dried up though.

I think N'Jie could be a good signing, but I still feel Werner was the top target, and rightfully so...

matty74 · Aug 11, 2015

In the premier league real pace is what scares defenders and the fact he is a little unpredictable will only add to a defenders concern. At 21 there is more than enough quality about the kid and the fact he can play left right or Central is a big plus.

If Mitchell and poch think the kid can be a hit over here then that's good enough for me. Him Kane and one other more experienced forward and our options are pretty good

thebenjamin · Aug 11, 2015

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Do you really not think this has been taken into consideration? The club are just about to make a multi-million pound investment, they have assembled a new scouting and recruitment team specifically to uncover gems who can be moulded to fit Poch's team and you don't think they took something as basic as his first touch into consideration? Really?

We signed Stambouli who couldn't run. Fazio who can't turn and can't pass 5 yards. Holtby who doesn't have a position and can't last past 60 minutes.

People talk as if it's so completely unlikely Tottenham would make a mistake in the transfer market. We do it all the time. Look at all the deadwood we're desperately offloading.

Is it not fair to question a signing?

Mr Pink · Aug 11, 2015

Monkey boy said:
Not liking those comments one bit. Have always said the best way to judge a player is by listening to his own fans reactions to the potential sale as they are the ones who would watch them for 90 minutes every week. The comments posted are probably word for word what would be posted about our very own Andros and god knows how much we don't need one Townsend let alone 2 of the buggers.

Townsend has to two league goals in 50 appearance, and one was a fluke. This kid got seven goals last season, and 7 assists IIRC, and he made a lot of sub appearances.

That end product dwarfs what Townsend has produced over two seasons let alone one.

danielneeds · Aug 11, 2015

thebenjamin said:
Yeah absolutely. My worry there is that basically renders him useless for home games against majority deep lying 2 blocks of 4.

Even against the deep lying defence we need someone who can break a line and beat a man over 5-10 yards. We've been missing it badly.

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