Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

TURKISH69 · Jan 3, 2016

RichieS said:
Exactly what I said to my dad during the Arsenal match. I've never seen a Spurs team that is so in control and composed. To think that most of these lads are under 25 is mind-boggling.

Hey Rich I don't post on here much. But when was the last time we could say best defensive record, joint best goal difference along with City and playing sublime footy with such a young side! Kane looks really tired now he needs back up for a rest. That is the most important transfer we need in Jan as when your struggling is when you pick up injuries!! COYS

DaSpurs · Jan 3, 2016

Marty said:
To try to balance it out, I thought Carroll was 98% pretty good and 2% shocking, the 2% unfortunately being in potentially critical situations that people really notice. The header that went straight to Besic was textbook what-not-to-do and could have cost us badly, and he was a bit too often a fraction late into press/challenges for my liking. But there is definitely a PL player there.

Well tbf, the header wasn't near to deliberate, it was just a weak clearance after he closed his eyes before the header. He could certainly do with more core strength and more confidence to make the header in the box with his eyes open, but I'm sure he intended that header to be much better. If the decision-making is okay, I take less concern with it.

RichieS · Jan 3, 2016

Marty said:
He is 23 though, he will always be slight and his detractors will always use that against him unless he suddenly turns into Modric reincarnate. But I agree that he is sharp enough mentally for the PL.

I meant simply in terms of only just having been introduced to the team i.e. match fitness. He's never going to beef up beyond where he is now imo but he can use his natural mental attributes to intercept rather than having to get hugely physically involved. It will require a few more matches to see the best of him though, I think.

DaSpurs · Jan 3, 2016

Phomesy said:
I hope he does. Mixes things up and keeps the oppo asking questions.

But yes, much as I hate it, invertedis their "best" shape.

Invertids can be very effective as long as there is balance in the AM3 and sufficient penetration. Problem is, this latest AM3 isn't quite balanced enough and sorely lacks a player capable of pulling runners and taking on defenders on the dribble. Far too much preference to sit a bit deeper and pass rather than take men on themselves, and that's why our inverted winger formations have looked stagnant, not because they feature inverted wingers themselves.

Marty · Jan 3, 2016

DaSpurs said:
Well tbf, the header wasn't near to deliberate, it was just a weak clearance after he closed his eyes before the header. He could certainly do with more core strength and more confidence to make the header in the box with his eyes open, but I'm sure he intended that header to be much better. If the decision-making is okay, I take less concern with it.

I don't see a lack of confidence as a mitigating circumstance in that situation I'm afraid, both in closing his eyes and in his technique that header was so, so poor you'd expect a 13 year old to do better.

It sounds like I'm slating Carroll here, I'm not trying to and I do rate a lot of what he brings to the team, but it's things like that his detractors will always pick up on.

DaSpurs · Jan 3, 2016

RichieS said:
I thought he looked good at the World Cup and was surprised Everton paid so little for him.

He was superb at the World Cup. Put in the best performance of any midfielder against Messi in the entire tournament. Great grab by Everton.

Paceyjg · Jan 3, 2016

Very good performance for 75% of the game, we tired and then Everton came right back into it. Everybody played their part but I thought Carroll was poor today and it showed how much we missed Dembele. I'm not slagging the guy off and think he can continue to develop as a player, but I'm a little confused as to how so many people think he had a great game??

stevenurse · Jan 3, 2016

Taking off Eriksen was disappointing as he was excellent tonight. Found pockets of space well, kept the ball and created attacks. We didn't have that when he went off. Son played up front and Kane dropping in behind was absolutely knackered

Mr Pink · Jan 3, 2016

Marty said:
To try to balance it out, I thought Carroll was 98% pretty good and 2% shocking, the 2% unfortunately being in potentially critical situations that people really notice. The header that went straight to Besic was textbook what-not-to-do and could have cost us badly, and he was a bit too often a fraction late into press/challenges for my liking. But there is definitely a PL player there.

Yes there were a couple of mistakes but overall he played well. Some are lining him up now to always see the bad stuff and ignore the good. In other words he won't receive fair and objective appraisals. That's what's grates with the rest of us.

Springerding · Jan 3, 2016

The Long Suffering One said:
I have nothing against Walker but would love to see Tripps have a run in the side. We've proved through Toby's direct balls that we have alternative ways to score goals as opposed to just creating them through the middle and I think Tripps's crossing ability is another useful option, especially in games such as these where our midfield tires out towards the end.

It's just so frustrating to see Walker go all the way up there and opts to play the short pass into the centre or back. I don't mind him not taking his man, but fucking cross it when there's a chance to.

Couldnt agree more, Walker is so frustrating when he's past his man and just stops, the amount of times im shouting 'cross the fkn thing''..... Trippier gets quality balls in to the box, Kane would thrive of service like his.

Phomesy · Jan 3, 2016

DaSpurs said:
Invertids can be very effective as long as there is balance in the AM3 and sufficient penetration. Problem is, this latest AM3 isn't quite balanced enough and sorely lacks a player capable of pulling runners and taking on defenders on the dribble. Far too much preference to sit a bit deeper and pass rather than take men on themselves, and that's why our inverted winger formations have looked stagnant, not because they feature inverted wingers themselves.

Yes, but however tempting it is to wish for a Deulofeu of Mahrez, it's interesting that the fans (and coaches) of those teams are just as frustrated by their lack of defensive quality as they are excited by their offensive capability.

Can we have Bale back please? :cry:

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 3, 2016

davidmatzdorf said:
I think the problem is mainly multiple "announcements" about how badly he played that either providing no supporting argument or quote false facts, such as that he "passes backwards all the time".

And there are quite a few posts that say "Carroll is shit". Personally, I think there we could benefit from an algorithm on this site that automatically applies a ban to anyone who posts that a Spurs player "is shit" instead of making an actual comment about his performance.

Try as we might its a losing battle. Interestingly, two of the players who came in for the most stick from the ersatz experts were Carroll and Alli, who were singled out by the actual experts as MoM and mentioned in despatches.

stevenurse · Jan 3, 2016

Paceyjg said:
Very good performance for 75% of the game, we tired and then Everton came right back into it. Everybody played their part but I thought Carroll was poor today and it showed how much we missed Dembele. I'm not slagging the guy off and think he can continue to develop as a player, but I'm a little confused as to how so many people think he had a great game??

Made more passes than anyone on the pitch, kept us ticking over and helped build attacks. I was disappointed not to see Son starting and Alli dropped in alongside Dier but I'm happy to be proved completely wrong. Carroll had a really good game

Marty · Jan 3, 2016

Mr Pink said:
Yes there were a couple of mistakes but overall he played well. Some are lining him up now to always see the bad stuff and ignore the good. In other words he won't receive fair and objective appraisals. That's what's grates with the rest of us.

It's horrible isn't it, how we get groups of "fans" ganging up on a player and only seeing their faults. We must not let Carroll become the new Jenas - the lightning rod of all criticism.

DaSpurs · Jan 3, 2016

Marty said:
I don't see a lack of confidence as a mitigating circumstance in that situation I'm afraid, both in closing his eyes and in his technique that header was so, so poor you'd expect a 13 year old to do better.

It sounds like I'm slating Carroll here, I'm not trying to and I do rate a lot of what he brings to the team, but it's things like that his detractors will always pick up on.

In my own experience, I found that confidence in certain circumstances helped tremendously with executing plays like that. If you had any ounce of fear, you were much more likely to close your eyes. He's a slight player playing in a deep midfield role, expected to clear a ball with the knowledge that a player such as Lukaku might have been bearing down on him. I'll be honest, despite having more build to myself than Carroll, I'd be a bit intimidated with a man that size in the vicinity. So more experience, and more confidence in the scenario I think would help keep the eyes open, and see out a stronger header at least a few more yards. Otherwise I agree, that would have been a poor clearance by a 13 year old's standards.

markiespurs · Jan 3, 2016

Need to remember with Carroll that he is still young and learning the game.

For what it's worth, I thought he had a decent game today and workd hard.

Mustard · Jan 3, 2016

Marty said:
It's horrible isn't it, how we get groups of "fans" ganging up on a player and only seeing their faults. We must not let Carroll become the new Jenas - the lightning rod of all criticism.

They've done for Townsend. New flesh must be consumed.

djee · Jan 3, 2016

Ultimately, you have to show some respect for Everton who rallied round 2nd half - in particular the last 25mins. RM made two very clever subs that took the sting out of our attacking endeavours and provided them with more impetus. Perhaps we would of been better served bringing on Bentaleb to help out Dier and Carroll but MP clearly had his reasons for going another direction.

Before the game I would of settled for a point, during the first half (even when they scored) I anticipated more, but by final whistle a draw was fair and acceptable. Hard to be overly critical when you consider the amount of football played over this period and the points haul is very, very impressive considering the tough places we have had to visit.

A week off now and hopefully refreshed and raring to go.

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 3, 2016

Mustard said:
They've done for Townsend. New flesh must be consumed.

Reminds me of this:

am_yisrael_chai · Jan 3, 2016

Today was a game we should have won but equally a game that in prior years we would have probably lost given the last 15 minutes, so progress but still room for improvement. The first half was the best football we've played this season.

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