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I was looking at how cups handle ineligible players, the team gets kicked out due to the walk over.
Sunday Times - 150 sportsman (inc footballers) doping scandal
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I was looking at how cups handle ineligible players, the team gets kicked out due to the walk over.
Ionman34
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We're not a jury, so we don't need to worry about that when speculating.
This has been a subject touched upon on here long before this report came out. It's not like the bandwagon has been jumped on, some of us were voicing suspicions based on their recovery time after Vardy managed to shake off a groin op in days. That is not natural, unless of course you can provide evidence to the contrary.
If Leicester are exonerated, which is likely, then fair play to them, but the evidence to date is enough to cause suspicion whether you like it or not.
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Not normal and not natural are different things.
It's not normal to shake off an op like that within a short period of time, but everyone is different so maybe he did just recover quickly. To suggest it's 'not natural' is taking a bit more of a leap.
I don't think there's really any 'evidence' at this stage other than a bit of 2+2=drugs.
To be fair this guy who has come out with it all sounds like a proper tit as well, so I'm certainly not putting much stock in his 'revelations' at this stage.
Obviously if there has been wrongdoing I hope it's investigated properly and anyone who is guilty is given the correct punishment, but I think there's very little to go on at the moment.
Let's put it this way....if it was us who had been accused in a similar matter we'd all be laughing it off as nothing.
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How could Leicester not receive any sanction if it was proven that the player who has scored over a third of their league goals was doping? Every result to which he has contributed would be questionable.
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Not that it will happen (people are continuously forgetting, or have not read the report, that this is historic going back to Huth hving been at Chelsea, not relating to this season only) ... but if it DID happen, i would be perfectly fine with beign declared winners due to the points winners being proven to have cheated.
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Morally I think there would always be questions (and quite rightly so) but if it was just one player then I suspect the team wouldn't be punished. They'd be left with a very tainted title...but a title nonetheless.
I think only if it can be shown that the team as a whole was doing something dodgy (i.e. Leicester's physios being in on it) would there be an issue with Leicester themselves.
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None of this is to do with Vardy at all.
Leicester are mentioned only because of the linkage with Huth having been at Chelsea at a certain time
I wont mention this again. If people want to still keep burying their heads in the sand and not reading the reports and keep associating this with Vardy's supposed super human strength this season then they are welcome to now, i won't be correcting anymore
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But it is about Vardy right?
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No names have been mentioned, so how do you know it has nothing to do with Vardy? Besides, did you not read the post I was responding to?
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Chilwell doesn't need to cheat, he's just naturally that damn good.
Geyzer Soze
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No, actually i didnt' read the post you were responding to, but you were clearly referring to Vardy yourself, so i quoted you ... but not having a go at you particularly, just everyone seems to be jumping on this as if it's the magic bullet that will be in our favour for this season.
EL Strict made a good overview near the beginning of the thread which explains how I 'know' (I "know" nothing, it is educated surmising ... ) that it's in relation to other things, not him.
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Fair enough, it's not normal as op damaged tissue generally needs a lot longer to heal, unless you are Wolverine or Deadpool that is. Groin injury recovery time is delicate as the area is subject to constant stretching, more so professionally. It's a stretch to believe he could have recovered that quickly "naturally" particularly when you see how long it's taken for his "broken wrist" to heal.
The evidence I was referring to is all circumstantial, what we have seen ourselves to date. You then add in what the Times are reporting and, although it is still circumstantial, it has more weight. Let's not forget here, we are speculating and nothing we say will have a bearing. The guy may be a tit, but to randomly cite players of Chelsea, the goons, Leicester and ... Birmingham? If he's trying to impress... Birmingham?
I don't really expect anything to come of this, the powers that be have far too much to lose if true. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it and speculate based on some fairly suspicious "happenings" (I use happenings as evidence doesn't seem to sit too well).
There appears to be an element on here who would die if they thought any other set of fans saw us as grabbing at straws, little realising that every fan in the country will be wondering the same. No doubt we would laugh it off...
That doesn't mean we wouldn't be quietly wondering if it really is true and silently picking out the players we think would be guilty.
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Like a bloody ostrich! Funny because ever since the ostrich quote from Pearce they've completely turned their form around. It makes me wonder if they have been taken drugs while everyone else has had their heads in the sand
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The post I was responding to mentioned Vardy, saying if he had doped then only he would be punished, Leicester wouldn't. My response was that if a player who has been so influential to a team's season as Vardy has been was proven to be doping (note this is still hypothetical) then the team would have to be punished simply for benefiting from his performances, whether they knew about it or not.
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Okay, sorry for having singled your post out for reply then, i could have picked any of 100 but i chose yours ... soz!
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I think we all know what will happen. If Leicester finish top 7 points clear they'll get a 6 point deduction
It's a tricky one really because even if there is some truth to this how much responsibility does the club have? Are they responsible for testing their own players or is it the responsibility of the FA? I'm sure the club will have some terms in the players contract where the players agree to not take banned substances. As far as Leicester or any other club are concerned it's down to their own players to honor the terms of the contract. If they go against that then the player themselves will be punished. I don't think a club can be held responsible if any of their players has been taking something. The club can only be punished if there was evidence that the club themselves were in on it which is a big stretch. Ultimately it comes down to the FA to ensure that testing is done on players over the course of the season so we have a clean sport.
If anything does come of this then players responsible will face lengthy bans and certain heads at the FA will lose their jobs. New measures will then be taken to ensure that more random drugs tests are done from next season. It will cast a shadow over this season but everyone will be so caught up in the romance of Leicester winning the League it wont make much difference. We're going to be hearing about this Leicester title win for many years to come I'm afraid.
It's a tricky one really because even if there is some truth to this how much responsibility does the club have? Are they responsible for testing their own players or is it the responsibility of the FA? I'm sure the club will have some terms in the players contract where the players agree to not take banned substances. As far as Leicester or any other club are concerned it's down to their own players to honor the terms of the contract. If they go against that then the player themselves will be punished. I don't think a club can be held responsible if any of their players has been taking something. The club can only be punished if there was evidence that the club themselves were in on it which is a big stretch. Ultimately it comes down to the FA to ensure that testing is done on players over the course of the season so we have a clean sport.
If anything does come of this then players responsible will face lengthy bans and certain heads at the FA will lose their jobs. New measures will then be taken to ensure that more random drugs tests are done from next season. It will cast a shadow over this season but everyone will be so caught up in the romance of Leicester winning the League it wont make much difference. We're going to be hearing about this Leicester title win for many years to come I'm afraid.
