Ratings vs West Brom

Doomchicken said:

Lloris - 2.

Walker - 4.
Alderweireld - 5.
Vertonghen - 5.
Rose - 5.

Dier - 5.
Dembele - 5.

Lamela - 6.
Alli - 4.
Eriksen - 4.

Kane - 5.

Pochettino - 0.

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We weren't that bad!

I thought we had a good first half, but became afraid to play in the second half. West Brom got themselves back into the game and we couldn't get ourselves going. Too many long balls, not enough movement and just all together a little late to the ball. The ocasion got to us and we looked done when West Brom scored. The title race is over and now we must focus on getting that second place.

Hugo: 6. He had a good game, but made one mistake that cost us. Sometimes it's not fun to be a keeper when you make one mistake and that's the one that leads to a goal.

Rose: 7. I thought he had a good game, although lacking some end product. Not many crosses made it into the box and he still has a few problems defensively with his positioning. Looks good in combinations with Eriksen. Overall solid.

Vertonghen: 7. Almost got a goal and solid in defence. Still somewhat prone to make the odd mistake and he always gives away a clumsy freekick you can see coming a mile away.

Toby: 8. Rock solid. I can't believe how good he is. He rarely makes a mistake and oozes class. Calm and good on the ball.

Walker: 6. He was a wee bit worse than Rose. They kinda had the same game, but Walker just not into it as much.

Dier: 5. Not a game he will remember. He never really got into it and was often late to close down the West Brom players. Got beaten on the corner and lets hope its not a serious injury.

Dembele: 8. Good performance. Always good on the ball and impossible to get off it. Ok defensively and ok offensively, even though i still think he lacks a bit of end product.

Eriksen: 7. Always immense at keeping possession and starting one touch combinations. It always seems like he is involved in our good build up play. He hit the bar and should have gotten an assist after todays best attack. His final pass was a little off today, i thought he gave it away more than usual, but he still created chances. I also liked that he didn't shy away and tries that forward pass and move the ball fast. Fantastic dead ball delivery, so maybe we can only have one of them in the match. He stepped up defensively.

Lamela: 5. He didn't really get into the game and it seemed to pass him by. He had a chance to turn it around but hit the post. Also lacked some end product and i didn't think he defensively was as good as he usually is. Oh yeah he also was in a bad position on West Broms goal. It's usually the oppositions job to stand in front of our GK.

Alli: 5. A game of two halves. Should have had an assist and was involved both offensively and defensively. He really got stuck in and one of our best players the first half. He then decided to not come out to the second half. Probably the worst half he has had for us. Nothing worked. He gave the ball away and was invisible. I almost forgot he was on the field. The pressure might have gotten to him. He could also have been sent of for a punch.

Kane: 6
He hit the post and was involved in some good build up play, but overall drifted in and out of the game. Seemed a bit frustrated. Maybe also looked a bit tired.

Poch: 4
Not the best game from the gaffer. We started out good, but he was not able to adjust in the half and during the game. Unfortunately Pulis did. Very weird subs. Hindsight is 20/20, but i didn't really understood what Mason would offer at that point. I rather we have moved Eriksen into CM and then both Son and Chadli should have been on earlier. Not liking Chadli in so late. We seemed worste after our subs.

So not really the best of days, but we must move on and secure the second place, so we are guaranteed Champions League and ending above the scum. We simply must get into Champions League. That is the best thing after winning a trophy.

Galactico14 said:

Well they didn't make a sound for rest of game!

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Pathetic throughout.

Sat behind a bunch of middle aged Spurs fans who didn't sing up once throughout.

Would ban them personally if I had my way.

Waste of time

Awful display. 5s all round.

Lloris 5

Walker 6
Rose 7
Toby 6
Jan 7

Dier 6
Alli 6
Eriksen 8
Lamela 7
Dembele 7.5

Kane 6

Reminded me of the newcastle game, dominant first half, should be out of sight, shit team decide to have a go at us, press us more, players get complacent, lloris fucks up, game not won

The Ghost of Shitmas Past

I really thought we'd left that type of performance behind. That game was very reminiscent of some from earlier in the season. We were superb for the first 35-40 minutes, some of our football, again, was a joy to watch, little give and goes, everyone buzzing, with Eriksen at the hub of everything.But complacency was starting to creep in toward the end of that first half. Dier gave the ball away in a very dangerous area, the previously excellent Dembele got caught on the ball, and we were starting to lose control and give them set pieces, and we know this side are about set pieces.

The second half just completely deteriorated, like some of those early season games where we let control slip out of our grasp. Yes, West Brom were at it, but simultaneously we also stopped being at it. Dier shrunk, like moon gravity, dragging the game backwards with him, making the pitch very stretched, he received the ball 32 times in the first half, 14 in the second, eventually hobbling off after being done by Dawson for their goal.

He wasn't alone of course, the collective malaise just seemed to be running through the team, like a Danny Boyle zombie movie, infection passing fromm player to player by touch, where in the first half everyone was joined by telekinesis , all of a sudden they became strangers, blank expressions, bouncing off each other, clever one touch exchanges became three touch fumbles .

Eriksen was utterly masterful first half, pulling all the strings, and nobody made more passes in this game than Eriksen (for the third game running) and he was still the man most likely even in the second, but once the game got stretched and there was no Dier to help win and supply the ammo for him, he became less influential. Lamela huffed and puffed to little avail, and Alli (who will no doubt be absent now for 2 or 3 games for his petulant punch) became a peripheral figure.

I think Poch waited too long to make a change in a game that we'd clearly lost control of. Even if not a substitution, a change of shape, dropping Alli back into a 433 maybe, or effectively Alli and Erisken into a 451. Instead he watched on as the game became more and more stretched.

I had fears about this game, and in many ways it mirrored the corresponding fixture, another one of those games where we turned complete control into no control and paid the price.

You could say we were a little unlucky that we didn't score a couple more goals tonight, but when you surrender control, the game will become a lottery, and in a lottery the balls don't always drop your way.

Individual

Lloris - I thought he was a bit poor on the goal.

Walker - As often this year, decent game defensively, not really offering much offensively. Really stupid kick that could have got him sent off.

Alderweireld - Decent game.

Vertonghen - Decent game.

Rose - Decent game, but like Walker, didn't really deliver anything tangible attacking wise.

Dier - Really struggled to cope when West Brom pressed us higher up, visibly shrunk and we suffered as a result.

Dembele - Between him and Eriksen for MOTM, but I'm giving it to him as he was really the player keeping us in the game second half when all around were losing their heads.

Lamela - Good first half, kept trying second but nothing was happening. Really unlucky not to score.

Alli - Very good first half but was pretty poor second. Should have been first off IMO and has really stupidly ended his own season with a pretty pathetic punch. Needs to be cleverer with his nasty or at least make it count.

Eriksen - Was absolutely outstanding first half, and despite losing his way a little second half, was still the only player you felt would make something happen (and nearly did). For the third game running made more successful passes than anyone else ahead of the defence.

Kane - Kane. Worked hard all night against a tough bunch. Should have played Eriksen in first half, unlucky not to score himself as well.

Just got back from the game. Little surprised to hear the vitriol towards the fans. Thought the atmosphere was really good actually. Went a bit flat after the equaliser but anyway...proud of the team.

Rose my MOM.

Bus-Conductor said:

The Ghost of Shitmas Past

I really thought we'd left that type of performance behind. That game was very reminiscent of some from earlier in the season. We were superb for the first 35-40 minutes, some of our football, again, was a joy to watch, little give and goes, everyone buzzing, with Eriksen at the hub of everything.But complacency was starting to creep in toward the end of that first half. Dier gave the ball away in a very dangerous area, the previously excellent Dembele got caught on the ball, and we were starting to lose control and give them set pieces, and we know this side are about set pieces.

The second half just completely deteriorated, like some of those early season games where we let control slip out of our grasp. Yes, West Brom were at it, but simultaneously we also stopped being at it. Dier shrunk, like moon gravity, dragging the game backwards with him, making the pitch very stretched, he received the ball 32 times in the first half, 14 in the second, eventually hobbling off after being done by Dawson for their goal.

He wasn't alone of course, the collective malaise just seemed to be running through the team, like a Danny Boyle zombie movie, infection passing fromm player to player by touch, where in the first half everyone was joined by telekinesis , all of a sudden they became strangers, blank expressions, bouncing off each other, clever one touch exchanges became three touch fumbles .

Eriksen was utterly masterful first half, pulling all the strings, and nobody made more passes in this game than Eriksen (for the third game running) and he was still the man most likely even in the second, but once the game got stretched and there was no Dier to help win and supply the ammo for him, he became less influential. Lamela huffed and puffed to little avail, and Alli (who will no doubt be absent now for 2 or 3 games for his petulant punch) became a peripheral figure.

I think Poch waited too long to make a change in a game that we'd clearly lost control of. Even if not a substitution, a change of shape, dropping Alli back into a 433 maybe, or effectively Alli and Erisken into a 451. Instead he watched on as the game became more and more stretched.

I had fears about this game, and in many ways it mirrored the corresponding fixture, another one of those games where we turned complete control into no control and paid the price.

You could say we were a little unlucky that we didn't score a couple more goals tonight, but when you surrender control, the game will become a lottery, and in a lottery the balls don't always drop your way.

Individual

Lloris - I thought he was a bit poor on the goal.

Walker - As often this year, decent game defensively, not really offering much offensively.

Alderweireld - Decent game.

Vertonghen - Decent game.

Rose - Decent game, but like Walker, didn't really deliver anything tangible attacking wise.

Dier - Really struggled to cope when West Brom pressed us higher up, visibly shrunk and we suffered as a result.

Dembele - Between him and Eriksen for MOTM, but I'm giving it to him as he was really the player keeping us in there game second half when all around were losing their heads.

Lamela - Good first half, kept trying second but nothing was happening. Really unlucky not to score.

Alli - Very good first half but was pretty poor second. Should have been first off IMO and has really stupidly ended his own season with a pretty pathetic punch. Needs to be cleverer with his nasty or at least make it count.

Eriksen - Was absolutely outstanding first half, and despite losing his way a little second half, was still the only player you felt would make something happen (and nearly did). For the third game running made more successful passes than anyone else ahead of the defence.

Kane - Kane. Worked hard all night against a tough bunch. Should have played Eriksen in first half, unlucky not to score himself as well.

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I'm surprised that someone that loves to discuss tactics as in-depth as you places so much importance on the number of successful passes completed. Surely you would expect the AM that drops deep to complete the most sideway passes? It means fuck all when none of them are killer through balls like the one Lamela played at the Etihad. Not having a dig, just that number of passes when you have 70%+ possession in the first half but only score one goal pretty much means nothing.

TheVoiceofReason said:

I'm judging him on his contribution over the season. Which has been fuck all.

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Come on, he scored against Colchester.

Didn't think we were that bad, but the nerves showed as we failed to get the second goal and allowed WBA to pressure us. When we hit the post 3 times, I knew it'd just be "one of those games".

gp13tot said:

Lloris 5

Walker 6
Rose 7
Toby 6
Jan 7

Dier 6
Alli 6
Eriksen 8
Lamela 7
Dembele 7.5

Kane 6

Reminded me of the newcastle game, dominant first half, should be out of sight, shit team decide to have a go at us, press us more, players get complacent, lloris fucks up, game not won

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Even before the equaliser I was thinking of the Newcastle game. We are just not built to sit back and absorb pressure, we get caught between sitting back and pressing and it sort of doesn't work.

Only difference though is we had Dembele this time and normally we control the midfield better when he is playing.

Borks said:

I'm surprised that someone that loves to discuss tactics as in-depth as you places so much importance on the number of successful passes completed. Surely you would expect the AM that drops deep to complete the most sideway passes? It means fuck all when none of them are killer through balls like the one Lamela played at the Etihad. Not having a dig, just that number of passes when you have 70%+ possession in the first half but only score one goal pretty much means nothing.

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What about the killer through balls Eriksen played against ManU and Stoke ? Or the one he played for Lamela tonight ?

You realise nobody in our team has created more goals for others than Eriksen right ? And that only one player in the league has created more goals than Eriksen?

Just because you can't work out the importance (or otherwise) of Eriksen being on the ball so much doesn't make the fact unimportant.

yankspurs said:

Dembele and Lamela are the only 2 deserving. Rose is up there too.

Eriksen? He ran but thats about it. We had excellent opportunities multiple times that he fucked up with a terrible pass.

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This is moronic. Eriksen is the one player who looked dangerous the entire match rather than just the first ten minutes. Lamela on the other hand, for all his endeavour, costs us countless opportunities yet again due to his indecision in the final third. I've never seen a forward so frozen when he gets near the opposition box. Proper nosebleeder this one.

Lloris was punished for not learning from all the other wba corners again staying rooted to his line.

Walker was good defensively, shocking going forward.

Alderweireld had his worst game for us, full of mistakes tonight.

Vertonghen was okay and rightfully bollocked Hugo in the first half for his ridiculous short passes.

Rose had his worst game of the season and made Sessegnon look like Rivaldo.

Dier didn't impose himself as usual. Hope he's not concussed.

Dembele showed wonderful skill at times but was sloppy too often in possession.

Lamela grafted and fought and was neat in possession but has all the killer instinct of a snail that's been stepped on by a rhino. Half as productive as both Alli and Eriksen this season and the reasons why are summed up in tonight's performance.

Alli stupidly boiled over after a night of being kicked to high heavens. He tried to make something happen and looked likely a few times but might now be banned for his moment of petulance.

Eriksen was the only one who consistently found ways to threaten WBA and looked the only player likely to create anything second half.

Kane was below par and, barring a few lovely passes, did not trouble their defence as I'd expect him too.

Mason was ineffective, Son a headless chicken and Chadli powderpuff.

Bus-Conductor said:

The Ghost of Shitmas Past

I really thought we'd left that type of performance behind. That game was very reminiscent of some from earlier in the season. We were superb for the first 35-40 minutes, some of our football, again, was a joy to watch, little give and goes, everyone buzzing, with Eriksen at the hub of everything.But complacency was starting to creep in toward the end of that first half. Dier gave the ball away in a very dangerous area, the previously excellent Dembele got caught on the ball, and we were starting to lose control and give them set pieces, and we know this side are about set pieces.

The second half just completely deteriorated, like some of those early season games where we let control slip out of our grasp. Yes, West Brom were at it, but simultaneously we also stopped being at it. Dier shrunk, like moon gravity, dragging the game backwards with him, making the pitch very stretched, he received the ball 32 times in the first half, 14 in the second, eventually hobbling off after being done by Dawson for their goal.

He wasn't alone of course, the collective malaise just seemed to be running through the team, like a Danny Boyle zombie movie, infection passing fromm player to player by touch, where in the first half everyone was joined by telekinesis , all of a sudden they became strangers, blank expressions, bouncing off each other, clever one touch exchanges became three touch fumbles .

Eriksen was utterly masterful first half, pulling all the strings, and nobody made more passes in this game than Eriksen (for the third game running) and he was still the man most likely even in the second, but once the game got stretched and there was no Dier to help win and supply the ammo for him, he became less influential. Lamela huffed and puffed to little avail, and Alli (who will no doubt be absent now for 2 or 3 games for his petulant punch) became a peripheral figure.

I think Poch waited too long to make a change in a game that we'd clearly lost control of. Even if not a substitution, a change of shape, dropping Alli back into a 433 maybe, or effectively Alli and Erisken into a 451. Instead he watched on as the game became more and more stretched.

I had fears about this game, and in many ways it mirrored the corresponding fixture, another one of those games where we turned complete control into no control and paid the price.

You could say we were a little unlucky that we didn't score a couple more goals tonight, but when you surrender control, the game will become a lottery, and in a lottery the balls don't always drop your way.

Individual

Lloris - I thought he was a bit poor on the goal.

Walker - As often this year, decent game defensively, not really offering much offensively.

Alderweireld - Decent game.

Vertonghen - Decent game.

Rose - Decent game, but like Walker, didn't really deliver anything tangible attacking wise.

Dier - Really struggled to cope when West Brom pressed us higher up, visibly shrunk and we suffered as a result.

Dembele - Between him and Eriksen for MOTM, but I'm giving it to him as he was really the player keeping us in there game second half when all around were losing their heads.

Lamela - Good first half, kept trying second but nothing was happening. Really unlucky not to score.

Alli - Very good first half but was pretty poor second. Should have been first off IMO and has really stupidly ended his own season with a pretty pathetic punch. Needs to be cleverer with his nasty or at least make it count.

Eriksen - Was absolutely outstanding first half, and despite losing his way a little second half, was still the only player you felt would make something happen (and nearly did). For the third game running made more successful passes than anyone else ahead of the defence.

Kane - Kane. Worked hard all night against a tough bunch. Should have played Eriksen in first half, unlucky not to score himself as well.

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Fair assessment, should've won but didn't and got Pulised - can't stand the way his teams play but we continue to struggle against it. Wouldn't be against a Witsel type in the summer - £10 in the SC kitty.

Just got back after an achingly slow train journey topped off a pretty disappointing night. Didn't think it was a great game, the first 15-20 mins when we had our opening salvo hitting the post and bar was decent enough but after that point things suddenly got very tense. You could feel in the crowd, it got a bit more subdued and after this point we seemed to lose control over the game and although we have hit the woodwork three times chances came and went at both ends. I thought we looked tentative and cautious, speaking to my old man who watched it on TV he reckons we just switched off and started to take the piss trying to walk it in the net. I don't know... However there was plenty I didn't like about the performance and for whatever reason pretty much across the team we underperformed tonight.

Was very disappointed with our movement in particular. I thought we lacked player(s) looking to move into channels r look for a killer pass in behind. Instead it was all played in front of their defence. When Danny Rose from left back is really the only one who has even threatened to get onto a through ball then that is a reflection of how it went.

Some very quick thoughts on individuals:

Lloris - Still not sure how he hasn't claimed that ball. Poor from him.

Walker - Frustrated me a lot tonight, I was caught watching his positioning compared to Rose. Danny, for his faults picking out a final ball, at least consistently holds the width as far forward as possible. Walker could be braver and play 10-15 yards higher up the pitch and ask more questions of the defence on that flank.

Centre backs - Nothing majorly to fault but a tad sloppy at times.

Rose - Had a good first half and kudos to him for having some gusto and intent to make some runs and give his team mate an option. Did do some stupid shit second half though in fairly dangerous areas.

Dier - Mirrored the overall team performance really. decent enough start, faded badly as the game went on. I also thought we left massive gaps between defence and midfield that they exploited at times which is partly down to him.

Dembele - Did some (very) good Dembele things frequently and was a model of composure, but I am struggling to recall much of it having any purpose in meaningful areas. The one time he did get into a great position near the box towards the end he, instead of shooting, promptly did a 180 degree turn towards our own goal which had me tearing my hair out.

Eriksen - Saw a lot of ball. Couldn't find the final pass and was wasteful in this aspect when it mattered.

Alli - Reasonably bright start, little of note after that apart from a flick here and there. I hear he's whacked someone off the ball to cap things off tonight. So I guess it's see you next season sunshine, good luck with the Euros.

Lamela - I thought he struggled to make impact on the game, was a bit unlucky with his shot against the post. Was right in line with it and it was slightly behind him and he did well to steer it towards the corner.

Kane - I don't know how his performance came across on TV, but I felt that was one of the worst games I can recall. Didn't seem to get into the game much, and more disappointing was that it seemed his movement wasn't great at all and watching him he just seemed to be hidden away at times. Think he should have scored the chance early on, though I'm told it was a good save.

Bus-Conductor said:

What about the killer through balls Eriksen played against ManU and Stoke ? Or the one he played for Lamela tonight ?

You realise nobody in our team has created more goals for others than Eriksen right ? And that only one player in the league has created more goals than Eriksen?

Just because you can't work out the importance (or otherwise) of Eriksen being on the ball so much doesn't make the fact unimportant.

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But I'm not talking about the United or Stoke games. You're the one who talks twice in one post about the most successful passes in the game, I'm questioning the relevance of that in a game where we draw 1-1 at home to West Brom. Like I said i my last post, I'm not having a dig at Eriksen but obviously you feel it necessary to question what I see when watching our players.

Also, it's his job to be the creative player and provide those killer through balls. It's like claiming nobody has made more saves than Hugo for us this season. When Eriksen stars offering the same defensive protection that Lamela does or the same goal threat as Alli then maybe we start putting him on a pedestal for the most assists.

EnfieldYiddo said:

legends.

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Agree. 30,000 of them.

Strange hearing the level of criticism, and calling the team 'legends'. I didn't think that was the case tonight. It was a strange game. We overpowered them in the first twenty. I recall (on the US broadcast), Lee Dixon saying it was like watching men against boys. But for some reason, we seemed to take our foot off their neck. That ruthlessness from the prior set of games was replaced by a cautious approach. Seemed like suddenly the whole team felt that they'd done enough, and that at any moment, they'd experience another explosive burst and put the game away. Didn't happen. And to top things off, we were wasteful. Especially the Lamela miss.

I refuse to say that any of the players were poor or 'legends'. Dembélé was a beast. Our full backs dominant. Jan and Toby, imperious through most of the match. And the front four were peerless in the first quarter of the match. Unfortunately, they sat back, when they should have leaned in and finished them off. And as we see frequently in the PL, you'll get punished.

On top of that... WTF, is up with our inability to beat WBA at home? They've become our new 'bogey' team.

Sadly I had to watch the game with half an eye on it as I was working, so I missed a bit. Generally it seemed as though we were flying in the first half and in the second West Brom really got it together and looked the more likely to win.

I thought I would come here to get more of an idea of how it went, this was my first mistake. I think, mainly because we are dominant in most games, that we forget there are two teams on the pitch. That central midfield of West Broms is underrated, Fletcher and Yacob are good players. They did very well to get themselves back in the game.

It's also easy to forget that no team in any league win every game. SInce the Everton game (we drew 1-1, if memory serves) I think we have turned a corner and been incredibly consistent, not sure of the stats but would love to see our record of the last 20 PL games and how many points we have got. I have rarely seen anything like it (never with Spurs!) and the last couple of games we have been playing like champions.

It looks over now, but we gave it a hell of a shot and all credit to Leicester for not bottling it. Some of the reactions on here are just stupid.