England fans involved in clashes in Marseille

tiger666 · Jun 16, 2016

Geyzer Soze said:
Sweet Jesus look at this shit!! These are fucking CHILDREN! by the looks of it itinerant gypsy or refugee CHILDREN being taunted and encouraged to fight for pennies by England fans!

I'm done ... this is too much. Absolutely sickening, i am genuinely shocked and a little bit traumatized by this tbh, i have a son about that age.

Must be the Russians fault somewhere.. or the French police.

EnfieldYiddo · Jun 16, 2016

Geyzer Soze said:
Sweet Jesus look at this shit!! These are fucking CHILDREN! by the looks of it itinerant gypsy or refugee CHILDREN being taunted and encouraged to fight for pennies by England fans!

I'm done ... this is too much. Absolutely sickening, i am genuinely shocked and a little bit traumatized by this tbh, i have a son about that age.

Such hyperbole... If you're traumatised by this you've had a very sheltered existence.

Geyzer Soze · Jun 16, 2016

EnfieldYiddo said:
Such hyperbole... If you're traumatised by this you've had a very sheltered existence.

presumably you don't have a child. And are a psycopath.

jackson · Jun 16, 2016

Martin Ledang said:
Yes, you`re totally right. And it`s quite simple: If you go on vacation to another country and the police have to come in large numbers with gastear, batons, helmets and shields because of you, you`re most likely not a very nice tourist. Then you`re probably doing something completely wrong and your not playing your tourist role very well.

Then it is far-fetched to blame the police afterwards, if you ask me.

I've watched a lot of footage now of the trouble, Stan Collymore's two periscope video's were actually quite a good insight of the policing in general.

To be honest I think the way the French are policing it creates a self fulfilling prophecy.

From what I've seen most incidents seem to be a large number of English people gathered, be that at a bar or in a square etc, drinking and signing songs (some distasteful no doubt) being flanked by a large number of riot police. Inevitably you get the odd moron acting up, giving it some (but not throwing stuff) just generally being a drunken twat. The police decide that don't like that so charge on mass, pepper spray people, or tear gas the situation which then sparks a reaction (no excuse but a likely result) and then it escalates from there.

Why not send in a couple of police and remove the individual/s over stepping the line, that would be far more effective, even if it was to drag him/them out temporarily and threatened with arrest. Deals with the trouble maker/s and sends a message instead of indiscriminately tear gassing, charging the large group which sends people running around the streets in a hyped up state and it just goes from there.

I'm not excusing these people, there's a lot of fucking numpties out there who are frankly embarrassing, but it appears to being dealt with in the worst possible way to calm the situation.

tiger666 · Jun 16, 2016

jackson said:
I've watched a lot of footage now of the trouble, Stan Collymore's two periscope video's were actually quite a good insight of the policing in general.

To be honest I think the way the French are policing it creates a self fulfilling prophecy.

From what I've seen most incidents seem to be a large number of English people gathered, be that at a bar or in a square etc, drinking and signing songs (some distasteful no doubt) being flanked by a large number of riot police. Inevitably you get the odd moron acting up, giving it some (but not throwing stuff) just generally being a drunken twat. The police decide that don't like that so charge on mass, pepper spray people, or tear gas the situation which then sparks a reaction (no excuse but a likely result) and then it escalates from there.

Why not send in a couple of police and remove the individual/s over stepping the line, that would be far more effective, even if it was to drag him/them out temporarily and threatened with arrest. Deals with the trouble maker/s and sends a message instead of indiscriminately tear gassing, charging the large group which sends people running around the streets in a hyped up state and it just goes from there.

I'm not excusing these people, there's a lot of fucking numpties out there who are frankly embarrassing, but it appears to being dealt with in the worst possible way to calm the situation.

Wait until you see how the Russian police handle it.

Archibald&Crooks · Jun 16, 2016

jackson said:
I've watched a lot of footage now of the trouble, Stan Collymore's two periscope video's were actually quite a good insight of the policing in general.

To be honest I think the way the French are policing it creates a self fulfilling prophecy.

From what I've seen most incidents seem to be a large number of English people gathered, be that at a bar or in a square etc, drinking and signing songs (some distasteful no doubt) being flanked by a large number of riot police. Inevitably you get the odd moron acting up, giving it some (but not throwing stuff) just generally being a drunken twat. The police decide that don't like that so charge on mass, pepper spray people, or tear gas the situation which then sparks a reaction (no excuse but a likely result) and then it escalates from there.

Why not send in a couple of police and remove the individual/s over stepping the line, that would be far more effective, even if it was to drag him/them out temporarily and threatened with arrest. Deals with the trouble maker/s and sends a message instead of indiscriminately tear gassing, charging the large group which sends people running around the streets in a hyped up state and it just goes from there.

I'm not excusing these people, there's a lot of fucking numpties out there who are frankly embarrassing, but it appears to being dealt with in the worst possible way to calm the situation.

Post 250 which I brought over from the news says pretty much the same
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...volved-in-clashes-in-marseille.125138/page-13

theShiznit · Jun 16, 2016

tiger666 said:
Wait until you see how the Russian police handle it.

And the Qatari...

EnfieldYiddo · Jun 16, 2016

Geyzer Soze said:
presumably you don't have a child. And are a psycopath.

What? With all the atrocities in the world and this traumatises you? Struggling to comprehend that.

It's distasteful but the video has (imo) little context, also you're making assumptions on the background of the children.

Arguably just feeding into your agenda that you clearly have to tarnish the English in France as the main cause of the unrest.

Archibald&Crooks · Jun 16, 2016

EnfieldYiddo said:
What? With all the atrocities in the world and this traumatises you? Struggling to comprehend that.

Arguably just feeding into your agenda that you clearly have to tarnish the English in France as the main cause of the unrest.

He said a 'little bit' traumatised, hardly suffering from shellshock but its obviously upsetting for him and to be honest, its in very very poor taste, atrocities in the rest of the world have got nothing to do with it and doesn't make this kind of thing OK or any less reprehensible. Even for you these comments are pretty poorly thought out.

Well played, you've done it again.

EnfieldYiddo · Jun 16, 2016

Archibald&Crooks said:
He said a 'little bit' traumatised, hardly suffering from shellshock but its obviously upsetting for him and to be honest, its in very very poor taste, atrocities in the rest of the world have got nothing to do with it and doesn't make this kind of thing OK or any less reprehensible. Even for you these comments are pretty poorly thought out.

Well played, you've done it again.

You've got a proper hard on for me haven't you

LukaMotion · Jun 16, 2016

Let's be honest about this whole thing, here's how I see it.

Dickheads from Russia have gone to France with the sole purpose of attacking rival fans, particularly the English, as they want to prove they are the hardest group of twats in the world.

Dickheads from England have retaliated, antagonised and been downright disrespectful to the French (chanting "you should have been at the Bataclan" and making romany children fight over pennies)

Dickheads from the French police have been overly heavy-handed with English fans, and not strong enough against the Russians, mainly due to them being ridiculously unprepared for the scenes we've seen.

All of these dickheads are doing their best to ruin it for the vast majority of fans who just want to have a good time and watch some football. Arrest and ban the whole lot of them and let everyone else get back to just enjoying the tournament.

MattyP · Jun 16, 2016

Martin Ledang said:
Yes, you`re totally right. And it`s quite simple: If you go on vacation to another country and the police have to come in large numbers with gastear, batons, helmets and shields because of you, you`re most likely not a very nice tourist. Then you`re probably doing something completely wrong and your not playing your tourist role very well.

Then it is far-fetched to blame the police afterwards, if you ask me.

Having personally been out there myself, I can assure you that I played my tourist role pretty well and yet I still got tear gassed six times. My life away from football is hugely important to me and I have no intention of doing something stupid that means I have to give up my passport repeatedly, or not be able to do things I enjoy like going to a game of football. And yet I still got gassed, just for being there.

Yes there are some morons out there, but they are a tiny fraction compared to the genuine fans.

talkshowhost86 · Jun 16, 2016

Even away from all the fighting I just fundamentally will never be able to understand the people who go to these tournaments and act the way they do.

I was out in Lyon earlier this season for a European rugby final, and there was a second final the next day. There were four sets of fans in the city for a couple of days, two of them quite big rivals (Quins and Sarries) and everyone just enjoyed being in the City.

The fans wandered around the city in the day, had a few beers, then went to the bars at night and mingled with opposition fans (both French and English). There was some singing but it was just pro-rugby rather than anything about the IRA, ISIS or such other shit that our lot are singing about.

All they are doing is going to a city to get drunk, sing obnoxious songs, watch the football if they have to, and then drink again.

I know it's not the majority, but it is far more than is acceptable, and even without all the fighting it's pretty pathetic behaviour. The worst thing is that is it's being described as 'an English problem' which tars the whole country with the same brush. It's not an English problem. It's an English twat problem.

tototoner · Jun 16, 2016

Collymore pointing out a Russian fan to police video here

http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/stan-collymore-confronts-bottle-throwing-russian-fan-in-lille/67287

E17yid · Jun 16, 2016

talkshowhost86 said:
Even away from all the fighting I just fundamentally will never be able to understand the people who go to these tournaments and act the way they do.

I was out in Lyon earlier this season for a European rugby final, and there was a second final the next day. There were four sets of fans in the city for a couple of days, two of them quite big rivals (Quins and Sarries) and everyone just enjoyed being in the City.

The fans wandered around the city in the day, had a few beers, then went to the bars at night and mingled with opposition fans (both French and English). There was some singing but it was just pro-rugby rather than anything about the IRA, ISIS or such other shit that our lot are singing about.

All they are doing is going to a city to get drunk, sing obnoxious songs, watch the football if they have to, and then drink again.

I know it's not the majority, but it is far more than is acceptable, and even without all the fighting it's pretty pathetic behaviour. The worst thing is that is it's being described as 'an English problem' which tars the whole country with the same brush. It's not an English problem. It's an English twat problem.

I've seen many a dust up after rugby matches in and outside of Wales. It probably has something to do with the fact that all of the English rugby fans are barristers and doctors etc etc. I've also seen big fights between fans on tour in NZ and South Africa and that's not even going into how the rugby players themselves (especially the Englush) can act off the pitch.

Rugby is no different when you go to countries where it's not a middle/upper class sport.

I could literally name at least half a dozen times I have personally witnessed big fights between rival sets of fans/players after rugby matches.

riggi · Jun 16, 2016

EnfieldYiddo said:
You've got a proper hard on for me haven't you

I have.

TaoistMonkey · Jun 16, 2016

Seeing these videos of the English fans and "ooo look how hard i am" with their chest all puffed out.

Its embarrassing and they should all be drafted in the Army if they are so "tough".

WorcesterTHFC · Jun 16, 2016

talkshowhost86 said:
Even away from all the fighting I just fundamentally will never be able to understand the people who go to these tournaments and act the way they do.

I was out in Lyon earlier this season for a European rugby final, and there was a second final the next day. There were four sets of fans in the city for a couple of days, two of them quite big rivals (Quins and Sarries) and everyone just enjoyed being in the City.

The fans wandered around the city in the day, had a few beers, then went to the bars at night and mingled with opposition fans (both French and English). There was some singing but it was just pro-rugby rather than anything about the IRA, ISIS or such other shit that our lot are singing about.

All they are doing is going to a city to get drunk, sing obnoxious songs, watch the football if they have to, and then drink again.

I know it's not the majority, but it is far more than is acceptable, and even without all the fighting it's pretty pathetic behaviour. The worst thing is that is it's being described as 'an English problem' which tars the whole country with the same brush. It's not an English problem. It's an English twat problem.

It's a worldwide twat problem.

tiger666 · Jun 16, 2016

talkshowhost86 said:
Even away from all the fighting I just fundamentally will never be able to understand the people who go to these tournaments and act the way they do.

I was out in Lyon earlier this season for a European rugby final, and there was a second final the next day. There were four sets of fans in the city for a couple of days, two of them quite big rivals (Quins and Sarries) and everyone just enjoyed being in the City.

The fans wandered around the city in the day, had a few beers, then went to the bars at night and mingled with opposition fans (both French and English). There was some singing but it was just pro-rugby rather than anything about the IRA, ISIS or such other shit that our lot are singing about.

All they are doing is going to a city to get drunk, sing obnoxious songs, watch the football if they have to, and then drink again.

I know it's not the majority, but it is far more than is acceptable, and even without all the fighting it's pretty pathetic behaviour. The worst thing is that is it's being described as 'an English problem' which tars the whole country with the same brush. It's not an English problem. It's an English twat problem.

Part of the pathetic "lad" culture we seem to have here.

talkshowhost86 · Jun 16, 2016

WorcesterTHFC said:
It's a worldwide twat problem.

Obviously it's not just English fans, but I do think we have more of a problem than most.

Not necessarily in the fighting part, but just in the way our fans seem to act generally when they go abroad.

It's just a much more tribal and aggressive way of 'supporting' a team, and I just personally find it pathetic.

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