Vincent Janssen signs for Spurs!

FreddieYid · Jun 15, 2016

Chadeq said:
The option to have a 4-4-2 plan B must be appealing to Poch? To be able to rely on that option we need three strikers.

The option of going two up top at times will mean anything but 4-4-2 for us.

FreddieYid · Jun 15, 2016

Dean said:
It is what Mourinho does! It's gonna be like fucking Chelsea all over again.

He needs at least 6 or 7 real talents that he has no intention of playing, to send out on loan for two years then sell at a huge profit.

[edit] that way he has the £££ to buy them back for twice as much a couple of years later.

glacierSpurs · Jun 15, 2016

4-4-2, geez, sometimes it is 4-4-1-1 at certain situations, why be so hard on the numbers.. the players are mobile and can be smart..

I will be so worried if we only get in one CF TBH.. for those who questioned why 3 forwards for 1 position, who exactly dictates that 1 position? I wouldn't think Poch is not inclined to have 2 forwards in certain games.. Alli played almost like one in later games of the seasons.. we might play with 3-5-2, which could be also 3-4-1-2 at times.. why the rigidity? for all the Plan Bs and Cs we were crying out loud for Poch to implement last season, having 2 more forwards can allow that!

and yes, we were immensely lucky to have Harry injury-free for the entire season with the only exception of his broken nose.. but when Kane becomes unavailable leaving with just one forward, if we did sign only one, we will be back to last season scenario.. can we get lucky with that one forward to make sure he can last till Kane got back? even so, will we have flexibility to call upon any Plan Bs or Cs?

Kane playing all the EPL games will not restrict the forwards from just playing Cup games.. with Kane on form, fine.. but he could be ineffective in some games. subbing him off for the forwards to take their chances are definitely ways to keep them, and Kane, always on their toes...

especially with UCL next season, 3 forwards can never be counted as wasteful luxury IMHO..

Bus-Conductor · Jun 15, 2016

Nigel Spinal said:
That's when we throw on Son or Njie

4-4-2 is very rarely a good option though. If a team is parking the bus, you need more creative AMs to unlock them, rather than CFs to make the box more crowded.

Absolutely this. This idea that taking creative players off and putting even more players that need creative players to create something for them on, is from the Charles Hughes tactical manual which also included how to lace up and dubbin your football.

npearl4spurs · Jun 15, 2016

Yeah you really need counter attacks to make 4-4-2 work, right?

Sweech · Jun 15, 2016

FreddieYid said:
The option of going two up top at times will mean anything but 4-4-2 for us.

4-4-2 is love

4-4-2 is life

Shadydan · Jun 15, 2016

Too many people take formations and positions too literally, they're just numbers

mill · Jun 15, 2016

Lol at the formation snobs, most formations can be successful if the players are suitable for the positions, coached and motivated properly

Sweech · Jun 15, 2016

mill said:
Lol at the formation snobs, most formations can be successful if the players are suitable for the positions, coached and motivated properly

There's no such thing as a formation snob.

There's really just two types of people:

1. People who want 4-4-2
2. Complete and utter monsters

rawhide · Jun 15, 2016

tobi said:
I wish the term 'back up' was not allowed on this forum.

No matter the industry, the thought of a 21 year old needing a 'back up' is ludicrous.

You could say that phrase gets your back up...

Bus-Conductor · Jun 15, 2016

Shadydan said:
Too many people take formations and positions too literally, they're just numbers

They are not though. Just ask Antonio Conte or Marc Wilmots.

They aren't everything but they aren't nothing either. They are a default positional road map in which a multitude of other tactical facets and applications are structured around.

Paul Pogba is considered one of the best CM around because he's been played in a 433, but he'd would struggle to make the Juve or French team in a CM2 at ties (in fact Deschamps is reported to have France training both formations, 433 with him and 4231 without him as an example). Pellegrini's failure at City this season was largely because he couldn't come up with a formation that tactically suited the players he has, constantly fucking around with 442's or Yaya in CM2's. Etc etc.

Lighty64 · Jun 15, 2016

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
3 specialist strikers for 1 position?

Kane will be first choice for prem and CL. So that means the back up strikers can play in domestic cup competition which don't start until the winter time. How are they both going to keep sharp and hungry until then? What if we go out of the cups early?

You can't just stockpile in any position in case of "what if". The manager needs to think about squad harmony. Overloading certain positions is just going to cause resentment and disharmony. The result being the back up players won't even be able to show their best when called on because they'll be so pissed off at the lack of game time and feel underappreciated.

It's ridiculous that fans even consider this a possibility.

the CoC starts end of September,

with the CL Kane won't be able to play every match, plus there will be times 1 of them will start with Kane. our top 4 all rotate, and both Poch and Mitchell will know these players strengths and if 1 can play slightly wider, and both players know if they want starts they will have to adapt their games sometimes.

both will know the situation as we have spoken to both, and if either wasn't happy with the talks they would both rule out moving here for their own sake.

plus we all know that Kane could possibly pick up an injury, so we need 2 more strikers just in case or if something happened to Kane leaving us with just 1 of the 2 we would be back to square one

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jun 15, 2016

Lighty64 said:
the CoC starts end of September,

with the CL Kane won't be able to play every match, plus there will be times 1 of them will start with Kane. our top 4 all rotate, and both Poch and Mitchell will know these players strengths and if 1 can play slightly wider, and both players know if they want starts they will have to adapt their games sometimes.

both will know the situation as we have spoken to both, and if either wasn't happy with the talks they would both rule out moving here for their own sake.

plus we all know that Kane could possibly pick up an injury, so we need 2 more strikers just in case or if something happened to Kane leaving us with just 1 of the 2 we would be back to square one

Kane played every game last season. If he's fit then he will play CL and prem games. 1 specialist rotation option is adequate to fill in for Kane, provide an option from the bench and start domestic cup matches. A third specialist is complete overkill. Son or Njie can cover if it got to that - which it probably won't. Most top teams who play the same formation as us only have one high level back up striker. I can understand getting a 3rd versatile WF/AM/CF type but another pure striker would be ridiculous.

Lighty64 · Jun 15, 2016

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Kane played every game last season. If he's fit then he will play CL and prem games. 1 specialist rotation option is adequate to fill in for Kane, provide an option from the bench and start domestic cup matches. A third specialist is complete overkill. Son or Njie can cover if it got to that - which it probably won't. Most top teams who play the same formation as us only have one high level back up striker. I can understand getting a 3rd versatile WF/AM/CF type but another pure striker would be ridiculous.

Kane never played all EL matches, and unless might possibly get a rest in the CL if we can't qualify or qualify early.

none of us know for definite that Batshuayi or Janssen can't play the wider role. rotation is going to be key if we actually want to compete on all fronts, and we all saw with our own eyes last season on occasions Kane needed a rest, only trouble was we never had the players too rest him, hence why he played all league games and some cup games

CJMurray · Jun 16, 2016

Lighty64 said:
the CoC starts end of September,

with the CL Kane won't be able to play every match, plus there will be times 1 of them will start with Kane. our top 4 all rotate, and both Poch and Mitchell will know these players strengths and if 1 can play slightly wider, and both players know if they want starts they will have to adapt their games sometimes.

both will know the situation as we have spoken to both, and if either wasn't happy with the talks they would both rule out moving here for their own sake.

plus we all know that Kane could possibly pick up an injury, so we need 2 more strikers just in case or if something happened to Kane leaving us with just 1 of the 2 we would be back to square one

Alright then so we also need 2 more fullbacks as if something happens to Rose/Walker then we only have Davies/Trippier and we'll also need another keeper. Obviously.

We can't keep 3 strikers happy. 2 Strikers and Son/Njie/Harrison will be fine.

Teddy Klinsmann · Jun 16, 2016

Wolfsburg CEO Klaus Allofs: “We’ve talked to [Vincent] Janssen. We're not the only club in the market for him.”

FreddieYid · Jun 16, 2016

I don't think a 3rd striker is beyond the realms of possibility, but it will either be a versatile ST/WF or a young prospect who won't expect much first team football.

In my opinion, Son is not a back up striker, N'jie is an unknown quantity, who I'd have question marks over playing as a lone striker in the EPL (although at this stage, none of us know how Poch views him), and Harrison is yet to make a match day squad, so again we don't know how far he is from being deemed ready for the first team.

Whatever happens, I just hope Poch gets everything he feels he needs going into next season.

GetSpurredOn · Jun 16, 2016

Current frontline striker - Kane
One more striker - Janssen or Batshuayi
Versatile senior alternatives - Njie and Son
One young striker - Harrison or Kanga

Plenty options.

Shadydan · Jun 16, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
They are not though. Just ask Antonio Conte or Marc Wilmots.

They aren't everything but they aren't nothing either. They are a default positional road map in which a multitude of other tactical facets and applications are structured around.

Paul Pogba is considered one of the best CM around because he's been played in a 433, but he'd would struggle to make the Juve or French team in a CM2 at ties (in fact Deschamps is reported to have France training both formations, 433 with him and 4231 without him as an example). Pellegrini's failure at City this season was largely because he couldn't come up with a formation that tactically suited the players he has, constantly fucking around with 442's or Yaya in CM2's. Etc etc.

How do you differentiate between a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3 for example?

The only time players line up in some sort of formation is when they are defending the 1st 3rd of the pitch which is where they're not really marking anyone apart from that players don't play to some sort of formulaic pattern and stick to positions that the formation represents.

Spurslove · Jun 17, 2016

Shadydan said:
Too many people take formations and positions too literally, they're just numbers

...is the right answer. It's not where you play, it's how you play.

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