The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 8th July 2016

Ledleys Knee · Jul 12, 2016

SpartanSpur said:
So that just makes things more confusing! Not AM suggests opportunistic signings, so maybe potential big club drop outs.

Thanks for info though!

Or gaps in the production line. Like maybe an 18 YO CF because we don't think Harrison will make it etc.

Ledleys Knee · Jul 12, 2016

Jamturk said:
I think our attacking play needs a player that can get in behind by beating a man on or off the ball, we already have plenty of attackers that play in front of a defence.

Isn't that because 95% of teams park the bus against us? There's not been any space 'in behind' for us since Bale destroyed Inter.

IMO wanting a tricky/flair AM is an old small-time hangover. From the days when we had no offensive strategy other than give it to the good player (Ginola, Bale etc.). Now we have sychronised movement and everything - like big clubs do.

Rethink · Jul 12, 2016

Going by last season, we really don't have any problems scoring goals. Another AM to ensure that we don't dramatically drop off if Lamela/Alli/Eriksen get injured would be great , but as per the 2 signings so far this summer, its all about depth .

I personally have every confidence that our preferred starting 11 from last year will kick on again and continue to grow stronger and stronger.. i wouldn't want to drop any of them personally

TEESSIDE1 · Jul 12, 2016

Ledleys Knee said:
Isn't that because 95% of teams park the bus against us? There's not been any space 'in behind' for us since Bale destroyed Inter.

IMO wanting a tricky/flair AM is an old small-time hangover. From the days when we had no offensive strategy other than give it to the good player (Ginola, Bale etc.). Now we have sychronised movement and everything - like big clubs do.

Very true and with teams sitting deep, having a pacey player isn't necessarily going to be effective as there won't be any space to run in to.

Gotze would be a great coup and add strength in depth but he's not going to fix the issue of breaking down stubborn defences. I personally think he's too similar to Eriksen and Lamela to an extent. If we want to deploy quicker players then we already have Son and N'Jie.

If JJ is referring to strengthening other areas then the only position we could genuinely benefit from is competition for Dembele. Moussa was awesome last season but he's pretty injury prone and we have no real cover for him. As someone has already mentioned, Kovacic would be ideal, young, highly talented and he's pretty strong too. He's also a player who's in the ilk of Modric but capable of becoming a more offensive central midfielder.

Ledleys Knee · Jul 13, 2016

TEESSIDE1 said:
Very true and with teams sitting deep, having a pacey player isn't necessarily going to be effective as there won't be any space to run in to.

Gotze would be a great coup and add strength in depth but he's not going to fix the issue of breaking down stubborn defences. I personally think he's too similar to Eriksen and Lamela to an extent. If we want to deploy quicker players then we already have Son and N'Jie.

If JJ is referring to strengthening other areas then the only position we could genuinely benefit from is competition for Dembele. Moussa was awesome last season but he's pretty injury prone and we have no real cover for him. As someone has already mentioned, Kovacic would be ideal, young, highly talented and he's pretty strong too. He's also a player who's in the ilk of Modric but capable of becoming a more offensive central midfielder.

I'd be pretty confident that role is earmarked for Bentaleb

I think the mystery position might be something leftfield, like Vorm or Davies want out for first team opportunities and need to be replaced.

danielneeds · Jul 13, 2016

Ledleys Knee said:
I'd be pretty confident that role is earmarked for Bentaleb

I think the mystery position might be something leftfield, like Vorm or Davies want out for first team opportunities and need to be replaced.

If Vorm's being replaced, I supsect it'd be more our side than his...

thebenjamin · Jul 13, 2016

Honestly think we need to bring in one magic wing forward with pace and trickery to have a real shot at the title.

Trix · Jul 13, 2016

Jamturk said:
Man Utd are getting rid of a few aren't they.

Schneiderlin, Mata, Blind, Deepay and Januzaj

Thats without mentioning Citeh, Chelsea and pool who with their new managers will be shipping out a few and reshaping their squads.

We reallt wanted Depay before he went to Yanited. If he were to become available at a reasonable price, he might well be a player we'd look at.

danielneeds · Jul 13, 2016

Trix said:
We reallt wanted Depay before he went to Yanited. If he were to become available at a reasonable price, he might well be a player we'd look at.

He's looked incredibly immature on and off he pitch though.;

The Swellhead Spur · Jul 13, 2016

Maybe the links with Tello are true, having worked with Poch before and @JJetset saying that the player isn't really an attacking midfielder.

Plays on the Right usually as a traditional winger which we don't play with but we are light on the right hand side

Bus-Conductor · Jul 13, 2016

My 20 in for Janssen.

Goldman · Jul 13, 2016

JJ says not really an AM. Which imo indicates they are either an attacking player of some sort, or a midfielder of some sort.

So maybe a WF? Obviously we have a few options there. But if an upgrade became available..

nedley · Jul 13, 2016

Depay?

Couldn't imagine that. Exactly the opposite of the player Poch likes surely.

JonnySpurs · Jul 13, 2016

Bulletspur said:
This small time mentality as you put it are posters who are realistic enough to know that not everyone in football including players that we want, will think that we are as big or as attractive as we all may think.

Nah sorry, that's not what I'm talking about at all. Being realistic and being negative to the point of taking the piss out of your own club is VERY different. That's what I've seen on this forum and it's embarrassing.

There is absolutely no reason at all that Gotze wouldn't see us as an attractive prospect. If you don't think so then you and I have a massively different view of our club. I'm not suggesting for one second that we can compete with Man Utd for Paul Pogba but even Vincent Janssen turned down PSG to sign for us and I'm sure there are many fans who would believe that PSG can sign any player in world football. They were after Neymar until very recently and have previously signed world class caliber players.

Let's be honest, those negative fans just take the piss because they don't want to get their hopes up and then see them dashed if the signing doesn't come off. That's fair enough, I get it but I personally choose to be optimistic and I will always back my club if they genuinely want to take a run at the bigger players. We have to have some ambition and trying to sign Gotze is hardly like trying sign Messi or Ronaldo.

Chanticleer81 · Jul 13, 2016

I think the need for a central midfielder is greater than an attacking midfielder. Certainly for the squad anyway. If dembele is out then we are back to mason, bentaleb, Carroll, winks. Wanyama and dier are most likely to be too defensive for most games eg palace at home when they will have bodies behind the ball. Dembele also struggles with 3 games a week so apart from missing the first 4 games he is likely to miss a game either side of a champions league fixture.

FreddieYid · Jul 13, 2016

What did JJ say? I can't seem to find it?

diamond lights · Jul 13, 2016

FreddieYid said:
What did JJ say? I can't seem to find it?

go back a page

onthetwo · Jul 13, 2016

danielneeds said:
He's looked incredibly immature on and off he pitch though.;

Not to mention lazy.....

onthetwo · Jul 13, 2016

Jamturk said:
Man Utd are getting rid of a few aren't they.

Schneiderlin, Mata, Blind, Deepay and Januzaj

Thats without mentioning Citeh, Chelsea and pool who with their new managers will be shipping out a few and reshaping their squads.

totally agree and for once, my sense is that in getting the key signings done early, we can sit and observe the frenzy in the last week of the window and wait for something to land in our lap, a la VDV.

gazzeh · Jul 13, 2016

TEESSIDE1 said:
Very true and with teams sitting deep, having a pacey player isn't necessarily going to be effective as there won't be any space to run in to.

Gotze would be a great coup and add strength in depth but he's not going to fix the issue of breaking down stubborn defences. I personally think he's too similar to Eriksen and Lamela to an extent. If we want to deploy quicker players then we already have Son and N'Jie.

If JJ is referring to strengthening other areas then the only position we could genuinely benefit from is competition for Dembele. Moussa was awesome last season but he's pretty injury prone and we have no real cover for him. As someone has already mentioned, Kovacic would be ideal, young, highly talented and he's pretty strong too. He's also a player who's in the ilk of Modric but capable of becoming a more offensive central midfielder.

Gotze would be perfect at breaking down stubborn defences. Thats pretty much his game.. Lol

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