Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Oh , sorry I didn't realise you were 'sure'
I take it all back, I feel a bit silly now
Where is Wimmer?
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I take it all back, I feel a bit silly now
How on earth do you know ? How on earth do i know which players put in 110% in training every week? No fucker does - but as i have stated between now and the end of the season i will near as dam it name you the starting 11 for the very last match.
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Stop saying you can name the starting 11, we all could come very close.
What I'm saying is we all have no idea what information Poch uses to get this starting 11.
Being able to guess proves absolutely fuck all.
Lets make one thing clear - i have said training sessions will have little impact upon his team selection or thought process not that they are irrelevant. He uses training sessions as does every manager to get them doing the things the way he wants his team to play. I wonder how many training sessions the scouts watch before they decide a player is good enough to be brought to the club?? Training sessions are no where near as influential to deciding a starting 11 as you and the other guy make out.
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Luka Van der Bale
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That's what you believe. Fair enough. I think you're wrong, you think you're right. But please stop using the fact you know Poch's preferred starting XI as any sort of proof that he doesn't use information garnered from training to select said XI.
I have said it will have little impact upon his selection or thought process and Opposition, performances out on the pitch, Injuries, tiredness and resting players for cup games will have far more bearing upon his selection process that any training session. He all ready knows the players he wants to start each week, more or less as does everyone on here. Training will be to work with those players, get them doing what he requires of them, working on things that aren't right - deciding his starting 11 each week (imo) has minimal effect during these sessions once into the season. Unless one of them decides he's going to seriously fuck poch off at training for some reason.
Luka Van der Bale
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But really here we're talking about which of CCV and Wimmer Poch prefers to pick on the bench. CCV performing above Wimmer in training is likely, and has been confirmed by Poch, to be the main factor behind this.
Monkey boy
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Great last page lads, riveting discussion.
If Wimmer has a bad attitude and isn't willing to do things how Poch wants and CCV is - fair enough - he fits into how Poch wants to play. But week in and week out managers will invariably know their starting 11 almost every week, bar injuries and suspensions. They will then (again imo) use training sessions in between games largely for working with those players (plus fringe first team players) to a standard the manager/coach requires, working them as a team and probably individually also.
Anyway each to their own.
Qualsonic
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Training sessions would be absolutely fundamental to how Poch sets his team up on match day.
From week to week Poch sets up pretty much the same way with pretty much the same starting 11 - bar the two DMs and the three men behind Harry Kane. It's just my opinion how much influence training sessions actually effect his preferred starting 11 each week. Not saying training sessions have no relevance of course they do, its my opinion it's down the list on team selection - behind - performances out on the pitch, injuries, suspensions, form, resting individual players for certain cup games and the opposition, will all have a greater effect upon it.
Hengy1
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thinktank
Hmmm...
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He should be, he's a very good defender and have produced whenever he's been called upon.
thinktank
Hmmm...
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He hasn't gone in on the club tbf to him. just a hint that he's a little ill at ease.
npearl4spurs
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bring his A game and he will get some matches
ralvy
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How do you know he doesn't?
The problem here is that Poch doesn't seem to be very good at squad rotation... and that may have a very negative impact at the end of the season as it probably did last year. The good news is that if we continue to make good progress at the CL and staying at the top of the league, then Poch may have no choice but to start giving players like Wimmer and Jansen (once Kane is back) their fair chance.
ChristianBaler
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Misleading headline and probably taken out of context in how he came across when asked the question, go figure its written by Lieall Thomas.
He's a good defender but he's going to have to wait for his chances. A loan would be a waste of time (in best interest of the club).
He's a good defender but he's going to have to wait for his chances. A loan would be a waste of time (in best interest of the club).
UpTownSpur
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Was asked some questions by Austria media, and gave an answer. No big storey here. Can see him starting against Leverkusen, given his Bundersliga experience.
glospur
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What?
I'm not sure there is more that the manager can do.
We have the best central defensive combination in the league, and probably one of the best in Europe. Why should he break that up in league and Champions League games just to give games to a player that might be unhappy with his opportunities?
The risk outweighs the reward for me.
