Summer Transfer Wish List - 2017

Vincent30 said:

I completely agree that we need some finesse - all the players being mentioned also bring that Fekir, Tiele's, Isco (very unlikely), Coric (who's likely to make a step up next year), Barkley is a safer bet as he has many years experience on those, fills the English quota and is the last year of his contract, but i'm not against taking a chance on any of the others. I just think players like Isco and Anderson will go for 40 plus million to bigger clubs (by bigger i also mean will pay 150k / 200k a week without blinking) if they are for sale, if there is a chance, great, i'd be over the moon. But i feel Barkley is well within our reach, Tielemans i'm not so sure on, when we played Anderlecht i thought he was very average (i know he is so young), but i'm not so sure as others are on here. My ideal would be Lemar from Monaco, so i'm a dreamer too!!

The reason i feel we need 2 AM is because i think its likely we will be losing 2 or 3 from Sissoko, Lamela, GKN and Son. It's been really unfortunate for Lamela this year and i'd love him to stick around next year, but right now i'm not so sure what will happen.

Either way i feel the squad depth is starting to improve and if we can have a solid summer window we will have a very talented young squad for years to come.

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All excellent points, personally I don't think Anderson will go for 40m, I think it will be about 30m. If it was 1 signing between Barkley and Zaha, I would prefer Barkley without a doubt.

If we lose 3 of the 4 you name, then I think signing 2 AMs is necessary but not if we only lose 2, as Poch doesn't rotate enough to justify it.

Vincent30 said:

This is why we all love transfers, there will never be 100% guarantee of success. Do you remember the summer when Veron and Ruud signed for United, Ruud i believe had just recovered from cruciate ligament damage. Who would have thought Veron would turn out to be the huge flop out of those two?!I He was so average, no one could have seen that. It happens time and time again.

Its so difficult to know how a new player will interact with the staff, the team, the environment, buy into where the team is going etc etc. Zaha could be a donkey for us, or he could turn out amazing as he does have all the natural tools to be that player. Who knows.....

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Absolutely. I remember thinking we'd dodged a bullet when Ashley Young left Watford for Villa. He played well for Villa and they ended up getting 3 times what they paid for him.

As fans we don't see what goes on inside the dressing room and behind closed doors so it's difficult to talk about anything with certainty.

WiganSpur said:

Like him a lot. Different player but if we are going to sign a midfielder and we're looking in Germany then Dahoud could be an option. He's running into the last year of his contract. Technically good with an eye for a pass but as I said a different player to Keita.

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This really should've been quoted numerous times and shouted from the rooftops but alas it hasn't. Superb player and the skill set that we so desperately need.

spurs9 said:

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spurs9 said:

All excellent points, personally I don't think Anderson will go for 40m, I think it will be about 30m. If it was 1 signing between Barkley and Zaha, I would prefer Barkley without a doubt.

If we lose 3 of the 4 you name, then I think signing 2 AMs is necessary but not if we only lose 2, as Poch doesn't rotate enough to justify it.

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You think Anderson represents better value than Fekir ? Fekir's also French not Brazilian, so less aggro with international fixtures, language etc. If selected, would travel Lloris, Sissoko. Anderson would cost at least 50% more than Fekir and would almost certainly demand a higher wage. He's a bit more tenacious than Fekir, but I'd hope Poch could improve this side of him, I think he's also more productive/creative and versatile than Anderson.

First of all, the wish list would have to depend on whatever fomation señor Pochettino decide on. In this season he’s been experimenting with a 5-3-2 (some call it 3-5-2) formation as well as various formations of 4-3-3. I am making a list of players based on a 4-3-3 formation – a list that, naturally, would change if Pochettino do go for a “fixed” 5-3-2 formation.
As has being repeated again and again: Spurs do need 1, if not 2, wide forwards with plenty of pace, dribbling skills and goals. Something all other (top) clubs naturaly are eagerly wanting as well – so, of course,, such players are in huge demand and thus very costly too.
Yes, once in a while quality WF prospects can be had for a relative bargain…. If the right WF forward is found at the “right” time (Mane, Osumane Dembele, Griezmann, Pulisic, Lacazete are some examples of players who Spurs were looking at while they were still “affordable”). But how many Njies and N’Koudous does it take for Spurs to find a bargain “Mane”? Even “cheap” players’ frees adds up when they don’t succeed a t Spurs. Although Levy is good a recovering the original fees on re-sales, those players do occupy time and spots in the team/squad while they are tested, thus taking the time/spot from another potential prospect (time is money).
These are the following players I think Spurs could improve on and yet get a good fee for.
Wimmer, Sissoko, Son, Njie, N’kouodu, Lamela.

I believe that Spurs have a very strong squad, particularly when comparing with EPL with a much strong financial base…yet I believe Spurs could improve in certain areas.
Player I would be open to sell:

Wimmer – need 1st footy and he’s not get that regularly at Spurs; particularly not that it looks as if Davies is preferred over him at CB. Should fetch around £6-8M I reckon.
Sissoko – has not been as bad as many claim (nor do I believe Spurs paid £30M, unless some can prove me wrong with concrete proof), but he doesn’t really seem to fit in at Spurs.
Son – I don’t mind him staying but if some club would pay £30+ and a quality replacement was in hand, then I would be tempted to sell him. He's shown flashes of brilliance yes... but he's also "disappeared" in many a game too. He's still young though and this is his only 2nd season in the EPL so one could easily argue that time is on his side.
Njie – he’s pace and talent but from reports about how he’s doing at l’OM it seems his attitude is “lacking”. And many a player have wasted their talent due to lack of/bad attitude.
N’koudou – hard to say much about him due to his lack of games. But at 22 would could expect more from him.
Lamela – He did very well last season and I like him as a player (skills and fighting mentality) but it seem that not all is “fine” with him at Spurs - apart from the fact he’s injury prone. I’d let him go for £30-35M.
Janssen – Hard to decide on him though so my jury is still out on him. Yes, it’s his 1st season but he should have done better. But it’s not easy to find an “ready-made” understudy for Kane though.


Here is a list of players I like Spurs have a look at and buy some of them (not all of couse, just to be sure of no misunderstandings from SC “police force”).
When buying a player, a club like Spurs, of course, have a more complete picture about players – i.e. their attitude, character on and off the field as well as in training, “hidden” injuries etc. etc….so I leave it up to the scouts to narrow down the list. Some of the players on the list are prospects that wouldn’t improve the team for 1-2-3 seasons.
PS! I did not include Isco as I think he’s out of Spurs’ grasp now.Same goes for Lacazette, Julien Brandt, and Mahrez. But I hope I am wrong.

LB: Luke Shaw, Ryan Sessegnon, Kieran Tierney, Tony Gallacher,
CB: Cian Harries, Dominci Iorfa,
RB: Danny Collinge, Steven Sessegnon,

CM: Barkley, Tielemans, Maxime Lopes, Joe Aribo, Leo Da Silva Lopes,

RWF: Leon Bailey, Felipe Anderson, Cornet, Redmond, Alen Halilovic, Munir,
CF: Patrick Schick, Cyle Larin, Luka Jovic,
LWF: Quincy Promes, Bruma, Jean-Kévin Augustin, Maximillian Phillip, Yann Karamoh, Adam Traore, Gaston Pereira, Driussi, Nabil Fekir, Keita Balde, Zaha,

Bus-Conductor said:

You think Anderson represents better value than Fekir ? Fekir's also French not Brazilian, so less aggro with international fixtures, language etc. If selected, would travel Lloris, Sissoko. Anderson would cost at least 50% more than Fekir and would almost certainly demand a higher wage. He's a bit more tenacious than Fekir, but I'd hope Poch could improve this side of him, I think he's also more productive/creative and versatile than Anderson.

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1. You've completely made up this Anderson costing 50% more than Fekir and it seems to be mostly based on the fact that you don't rate Lyon's manager but he doesn't set the price, Aulas does.

2. It's not my money, so I don't care about best value, I want what's best for the team and IMO, Anderson is a better fit for what we need with his dribbling ability, pace, creativity and intelligence whilst also doing great defensive work.

at people who want to get rid of Son

spurs9 said:

1. You've completely made up this Anderson costing 50% more than Fekir and it seems to be mostly based on the fact that you don't rate Lyon's manager but he doesn't set the price, Aulas does.

2. It's not my money, so I don't care about best value, I want what's best for the team and IMO, Anderson is a better fit for what we need with his dribbling ability, pace, creativity and intelligence whilst also doing great defensive work.

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When it comes to price, we are all making it up, or making educated guesses aren't we? Just as you are making up Anderson's 30m. I was using your estimate of 30m to get the 50% more figure. I really can't see even Aulas getting much more than 20m for Fekir right now, can you ?

If you don't care about value why say to me that's the massive doubt over Fekir ?

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Ooh good, squawka top trumps...

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Bus-Conductor said:

He's actually quite similar to Barkley in some ways, great technique, quite strong physically, can move with the ball but also see a pass, but also can and has an eye for a goal and has played as a CF (scored a Hat trick playing as one). He took a while to get back in the grove but is back to something like his best lately, check out the highlights of their European game against Roma if you can find them.

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Not that he'd be as cheap as you think, but how long would it take him to adapt to living in the UK? and can he play to the same level in a very different Premier league?

Trix said:

Not that he'd be as cheap as you think, but how long would it take him to adapt to living in the UK? and can he play to the same level in a very different Premier league?

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But he's better on sqwaka Trix!!111!!! Think of the stats!

You're spot on though. The French league is not at all comparable to the English League.

Trix said:

Not that he'd be as cheap as you think, but how long would it take him to adapt to living in the UK? and can he play to the same level in a very different Premier league?

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How much do you think he's cost ?

These transfers are always a gamble, but I'd take the gamble of French/Ligue1 Fekir settling over Brazilian Felipe Anderson from Serie A for example.

Players from Ligue1 in general assimilate better than most, France exports more players than anyone. But for sure, I accept that all players from overseas will potentially take longer and have more risk. We do have French players here already, Poch probably speaks a bit from his time at PSG so, maybe those things will help?

I don't think I'll be outraged if we were to sign Barkley, he's got ability and he seems to have a decent attitude (important with Poch etc) but I do think he will cost substantially more in fee and wages (possibly double in wages) and as even @spurs9 agreed, they are very similar players, with very similar skill sets.

And the reason I think that's relevant because in our current format, which I think really suits us, I don't see who Barkley dislodges, and I'd rather take the value option of similar players in that event.

Would rather pay 30 million for a talented English player who's played the prem all his life, to 25 mill talented players who's only played in a crap French league. You are simply taking too high a risk he can cope

Tucker said:

But he's better on sqwaka Trix!!111!!! Think of the stats!

You're spot on though. The French league is not at all comparable to the English League.

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The French league where we got Lloris from, no it's not, nor is the Scottish league where Wanyama came from, or the Spanish league where Alderweireld spent some time, or the German league where we got Son from, or the dutch league where we got Eriksen and Vertonghen from, or even League 1 where we got Alli from...But thanks for that illuminating contribution to the debate.

millsey said:

Would rather pay 30 million for a talented English player who's played the prem all his life, to 25 mill talented players who's only played in a crap French league. You are simply taking too high a risk he can cope

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Which country has continually produced higher quality footballers, the English league or the crap French one ?

I win.

Bus-Conductor said:

The French league where we got Lloris from, no it's not, nor is the Scottish league where Wanyama came from, or the Spanish league where Alderweireld spent some time, or the German league where we got Son from, or the dutch league where we got Eriksen and Vertonghen from, or even League 1 where we got Alli from...But thanks for that illuminating contribution to the debate.

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You've already proven my point that the stats are meaningless by posting one showing Naughton is "better" than Walker. Just because some good players come from these sub standard leagues, it doesn't make it of comparable quality. Because it isn't. It's laughable that you even mention the Scottish league as if that's somehow relevant. Are you trying to say the standard of the Scottish league, or indeed League 1 is the same as the Premier League? Because that's garbage.

The French league is much the same. Players just aren't coming up against the same quality of opposition on a week by week basis.

How's Hooper doing? He was amazing in the Scottish League, did fuck all for Norwich though did he. How did Stambouli do? He looked great in the French league. What about Janssen? Soldado? etc etc etc.

Now this isn't to say quality players won't succeed when moving from these inferior leagues, they clearly do. But even if the French league was of the same standard, a statistical comparison does nothing because the sample area just isn't the same.

As Trix said a couple of pages back, stats are only really worthwhile when comparing players in the same position in the same team. Even then there's so many variables that it's mostly worthless.

Bus-Conductor said:

How much do you think he's cost ?

These transfers are always a gamble, but I'd take the gamble of French/Ligue1 Fekir settling over Brazilian Felipe Anderson from Serie A for example.

Players from Ligue1 in general assimilate better than most, France exports more players than anyone. But for sure, I accept that all players from overseas will potentially take longer and have more risk. We do have French players here already, Poch probably speaks a bit from his time at PSG so, maybe those things will help?

I don't think I'll be outraged if we were to sign Barkley, he's got ability and he seems to have a decent attitude (important with Poch etc) but I do think he will cost substantially more in fee and wages (possibly double in wages) and as even @spurs9 agreed, they are very similar players, with very similar skill sets.

And the reason I think that's relevant because in our current format, which I think really suits us, I don't see who Barkley dislodges, and I'd rather take the value option of similar players in that event.

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The Premium is there because he is far less of a risk. With our current standing and budget, we can't afford to keep taking expensive gambles on players because like now, we can't ever rectify the problem until the following Summer. With Barkley and Zaha, the manager hopefully pretty much knows exactly what he's getting.

You don't get rid of a guy like Son who can score 20 goals across all competitions when you're trying to compete across 4 competitions a season. He is absolutely vital to our squad, in my opinion.