Summer Transfer Wish List - 2017

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Fekir has started over 90% of their matches this season. Pretty sure they rejected £30-35m for Tolisso last summer, so there's not a chance in hell they'd sell Fekir for half that.

I'm not so sure that's true is it ? But even if it is, compare that with Tolisso or Lacazette who would never be benched. He's just not valued the same as those two, certainly not by that idiot Genesio.

 

[spurs9]

He's actually quite similar to Barkley in some ways, great technique, quite strong physically, can move with the ball but also see a pass, but also can and has an eye for a goal and has played as a CF (scored a Hat trick playing as one). He took a while to get back in the grove but is back to something like his best lately, check out the highlights of their European game against Roma if you can find them.

 

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[spurs9]

I'm not so sure that's true is it ? But even if it is, compare that with Tolisso or Lacazette who would never be benched. He's just not valued the same as those two, certainly not by that idiot Genesio.

He's only been on the bench 3 times, coming off it all 3 times. He also missed 4 games through injury and suspension.
Tolisso has been on the Bench 2 times, coming off it once but has also missed 3 games without even making the bench.
Lacazette has been on the bench twice.

 

[spurs9]

You forgot this one:

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Genuinely thought I had that on there.

 

[nuttynoah]

Lamela

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm not so sure that's true is it ? But even if it is, compare that with Tolisso or Lacazette who would never be benched. He's just not valued the same as those two, certainly not by that idiot Genesio.

Fekir has started 30 of the 38 matches he's been available for. Apologies, that's 79%. He still starts in the significant majority of matches.

 

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He's only been on the bench 3 times, coming off it all 3 times. He also missed 4 games through injury and suspension.
Tolisso has been on the Bench 2 times, coming off it once but has also missed 3 games without even making the bench.
Lacazette has been on the bench twice.

With Tolisso and Lacazette it's been genuine minimal rest/rotation - they are the mainstays of this team, with Fekir (who I was convinced it's been more than that but maybe I've mentally aggregated CL games in there too - of which he seems to have rarely started) he's often been benched for another option - especially in the CL and he's also been subbed off quite a lot I believe.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Fekir has started 30 of the 38 matches he's been available for. Apologies, that's 79%. He still starts in the significant majority of matches.

I know he starts a lot of games, I didn't say he's not getting picked any week. But a player like him shouldn't be benched for big games like the Roma one or a couple of the CL ones earlier etc. He's also been hooked off loads in games, and often unfairly (in the ones I've watched anyway) - I genuinely do not think genesis values him as highly as he merits. he's played 1700 minutes of 2700 available in the league and 400 of 810 in Europe.

 

[spurs9]

With Tolisso and Lacazette it's been genuine rest/rotation - they are the mainstays of this team, with Fekir (who I was convinced it's been more than that but maybe I've mentally aggregated CL games in there too - of which he seems to have rarely started) he's often been benched for another option - especially in the CL and he's also been subbed off quite a lot I believe.

I know he starts a lot of games, I didn't say he's not getting picked any week. But a player like him shouldn't be benched for big games like the Roma one or a couple of the CL ones earlier etc. He's also been hooked off loads in games, and often unfairly (in the ones I've watched anyway) - I genuinely do not think genesis values him as highly as he merits. he's played 1700 minutes of 2700 available in the league and 400 of 810 in Europe.

Its 1714 out of 2250 and 486 out of 810.
I think your just shuffling the facts to show what you want them to TBH. Surely if he has been subbed off a lot, it's because he isn't performing?

 

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I think your just shuffling the facts to show what you want them to TBH. Surely if he has been subbed off a lot, it's because he isn't performing?

Not in some of the games I've watched. It's like our games, where the same players invariably get left on no matter how bad they are playing (except in Genisios case it's not like they are Alli or Kane that are getting left on despite stinking up the place).

Bottom line is, Fekir and Barkley are comparable - roles. Fekir would be better value IMO - without a shadow of a doubt.

And I didn't leave out the fairly substantial fact of "goals" to show what I wanted to show..

 

[spurs9]

Not in some of the games I've watched. It's like our games, where the same players invariably get left on no matter how bad they are playing (except in Genisios case it's not like they are Alli or Kane that are getting left on despite stinking up the place).

Bottom line is, Fekir and Barkley are comparable - roles. Fekir would be better value IMO - without a shadow of a doubt.

And I didn't leave out the fairly substantial fact of "goals" to show what I wanted to show..

I think you have misunderstood why I posted the Squwaka stats, it's wasn't to show a big difference between them and in fact to show that in some ways they are comparable.

There is a massive shadow of doubt that Fekir would be better value, he has never played in the PL before and doesn't have the best injury history. Also, what makes you think they will let him go cheaply? Lacazette has said he is leaving and Tolisso is believed to be heading to Italy and if they both leave, there is no chance Fekir is leaving on the cheap. We had to pay them 12m for Njie FFS.

Again, I honestly thought I had included goals in the original screenshot, must have changed it to one of the other stats rather than adding.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I know he starts a lot of games, I didn't say he's not getting picked any week. But a player like him shouldn't be benched for big games like the Roma one or a couple of the CL ones earlier etc. He's also been hooked off loads in games, and often unfairly (in the ones I've watched anyway) - I genuinely do not think genesis values him as highly as he merits. he's played 1700 minutes of 2700 available in the league and 400 of 810 in Europe.

He played 90 minutes vs PSG 9 days ago.

 

[danielneeds]

Not in some of the games I've watched. It's like our games, where the same players invariably get left on no matter how bad they are playing (except in Genisios case it's not like they are Alli or Kane that are getting left on despite stinking up the place).

Bottom line is, Fekir and Barkley are comparable - roles. Fekir would be better value IMO - without a shadow of a doubt.

And I didn't leave out the fairly substantial fact of "goals" to show what I wanted to show..

It really depends on how you define value though. We sign Barkley for whatever the fee is - £25m, £30m, £35m - his value still goes up once we have him on a long contract. And even if he doesn't settle or play enough, his value would still be high because he's English and adds to the 25 squad rule and many managers favour PL proven.

We sign Fekir for £15m, £18m, 22m - whatever, he could do great and we get a bargain. But if he does not settle off the field, or finds English football difficult to adapt to, his value depreciates quickly - as we've seen with quite a few imports we've bought. And because he's on PL wages the number of clubs who can afford him lessens.

As a balance sheet acquisition, for Levy, Barkley is probably a no risk one. I still don't think he adds enough that we don't currently have, as a player, but he certainly isn't a bad option squad-wise, should we sign him.

 

[spurs9]

Not in some of the games I've watched. It's like our games, where the same players invariably get left on no matter how bad they are playing (except in Genisios case it's not like they are Alli or Kane that are getting left on despite stinking up the place).

Bottom line is, Fekir and Barkley are comparable - roles. Fekir would be better value IMO - without a shadow of a doubt.

And I didn't leave out the fairly substantial fact of "goals" to show what I wanted to show..

 

[mill]

The 2 times I've seen fekir play this season he's been rightly hauled off for being anonymous, small sample size admittedly

 

[mill]

Poch is very good at installing a good mentality on a player and improving them. Barkley has the talent there are no two ways about that and I think Poch will take him to the next level.

I thought you said he's a garbage manager who'd drag us down to 6th last season and that you wouldn't change your opinion on him?

Spurs9 has already shown you up for this in another thread

 

[dontcallme]

I don't get why people are so against Zaha and Barkley, two different players, one offers pace and dribbling (which we currently don't have) and potentially more penetration for the quick break and to stretch a team. The other has bags of potential and was easily Evertons best player against us at the lane, he's direct, strong and can add competition not only in AM but potentially as a partner to a DM in the CM2 position.

I just have a nagging feeling that Zaha will not perform consistently at a high level.

I've seen him at his best and been impressed but there's a feeling in me that he is a limited player that won't be able to adapt enough to different games and perform at the level required.

Like Sissoko he might be useful in certain situations.

As for Barkley I like him. I think he could help us counter more quickly and trained properly could become a very good player for us.

 

[Vincent30]

I think some fans (me included) feel that we are going for power over finesse, when it is the latter we need more.

Personally, only think we need one AM, not 2 but some people have said we are after 2 as Barkley can also play CM to eventually replace Dembele, so it that's the case, I would rather we signed Tielemans and Felipe Anderson, rather than Barkley and Zaha.

I completely agree that we need some finesse - all the players being mentioned also bring that Fekir, Tiele's, Isco (very unlikely), Coric (who's likely to make a step up next year), Barkley is a safer bet as he has many years experience on those, fills the English quota and is the last year of his contract, but i'm not against taking a chance on any of the others. I just think players like Isco and Anderson will go for 40 plus million to bigger clubs (by bigger i also mean will pay 150k / 200k a week without blinking) if they are for sale, if there is a chance, great, i'd be over the moon. But i feel Barkley is well within our reach, Tielemans i'm not so sure on, when we played Anderlecht i thought he was very average (i know he is so young), but i'm not so sure as others are on here. My ideal would be Lemar from Monaco, so i'm a dreamer too!!

The reason i feel we need 2 AM is because i think its likely we will be losing 2 or 3 from Sissoko, Lamela, GKN and Son. It's been really unfortunate for Lamela this year and i'd love him to stick around next year, but right now i'm not so sure what will happen.

Either way i feel the squad depth is starting to improve and if we can have a solid summer window we will have a very talented young squad for years to come.

 

[Vincent30]

I just have a nagging feeling that Zaha will not perform consistently at a high level.

I've seen him at his best and been impressed but there's a feeling in me that he is a limited player that won't be able to adapt enough to different games and perform at the level required.

Like Sissoko he might be useful in certain situations.

As for Barkley I like him. I think he could help us counter more quickly and trained properly could become a very good player for us.

This is why we all love transfers, there will never be 100% guarantee of success. Do you remember the summer when Veron and Ruud signed for United, Ruud i believe had just recovered from cruciate ligament damage. Who would have thought Veron would turn out to be the huge flop out of those two?!I He was so average, no one could have seen that. It happens time and time again.

Its so difficult to know how a new player will interact with the staff, the team, the environment, buy into where the team is going etc etc. Zaha could be a donkey for us, or he could turn out amazing as he does have all the natural tools to be that player. Who knows.....