Ex-Player Watch Player Watch: Kyle Walker
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EastLondonYid
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Considering Walker hasn't asked for a transfer, refused to play,direspected our club in any way. i think we should wait until we know the facts to judge...........some of the comments on here are embarrassing discussing who will be replacing him and how we won't miss him, he has been a loyal quality servant here for years ... i think abit of fucking respect due..
I hope he doesn't come on SC....
I hope he doesn't come on SC....
bubble07
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Just maybe we already have a replacement lined up. (Make of that what you will)
I will
nedley
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Fuck knows how he can be unhappy.
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CockOnBall
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I haven't read this whole thread but meltdown going on twitter as Walker has changed the pics on his profile page from him in a spurs shirt to now England ones.
I am 33 years old and this is somehow big news to me. Excuse me whole I seek to re-address my life choices.
I am 33 years old and this is somehow big news to me. Excuse me whole I seek to re-address my life choices.
Trix
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What are you basing that on though?
He hasn't featured imo because he has been behind two top class RB's who both needed game time to keep them happy.
jonathanhotspur
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It brings me great pleasure to tell you, @Trix, that Suarez was signed by Liverpool during the same window that Torres left for Chelsea! A masterstroke, if ever there was one! They also signed Andy Carroll, but we need not concern ourselves with that.
Gb160
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Think its been confirmed he did this after the last internationals...ie,not recently.
DJS
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To put Trippier into context too, I would imagine a lot us thought he was capable pushing Walker out of team when we signed him.
He's a first-eleven quality right-back.
And like Winks before him I would really like to see KWP given decent chances to establish himself in first team squad.
At some point either Walker or Trippier would have needed to be moved on to allow him in.
He's a first-eleven quality right-back.
And like Winks before him I would really like to see KWP given decent chances to establish himself in first team squad.
At some point either Walker or Trippier would have needed to be moved on to allow him in.
StartingPrice
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Folk need to stop, take a deep breath and listen to what is being said.
Firstly, I have read my way through this gargantuan splurge of panic, fear and loathing (and BC celebrating). I have seen repeated claims that we can't just rely on Trippier. Has everyone forgot that Dier can also play right-back. Not ideal, obviously - no versatile player ever is the perfect solution in two or more positions, otherwise he probably wouldn't be a versatile player. But that would give us Trippier, Walker-Peters and Dier as options. So we would neither be just relying on Trippier and playing him every game, nor having to hope that Walker-Peters hits the ground running and being left with just Trippier if he fails to.
Secondly, as Trix says in another post, why are folk just stuck on the idea that if he goes it will be to Citeh. The fact that someone with ITK status keeps saying this should tell you that there is a pretty good chance that if he goes it won't be to Citeh or to any other direct rivals.
Exactly. Except in cases of extreme implosion, it is always a safe default to assume that the folk who actually earn their bread and butter working within the club have a much better idea of the complexity of a situation that no marks like us
Again, this is the point. Most fans tend to think game by game. The major movers at the club (Levy, Poch, etc.) are thinking strategically.
Suppose, for instance, that Walker-Peters isn't quite ready this season, but Poch believes he will be soon and will be a better option/part of a better option (or solution, to use Corporate speak) than Walker. We have been operating within costs for quite some time - that is why we have all been marvelling at the two season table, where we are top by several points, while having a net spend of about £5 million. Now, supposing, thinking strategically, Poch believes that we need a couple of major signings and we have a few players coming through that he is confident on, and that will basically give us a squad to be going on with for a few years - he has already spoken of being ahead of schedule here, so he apparently does have a clear vision going forward. So, we may need to sell one player (and, presumably, Sissoko, and some drift), in order to make some fahook signings who take our squad to the next level while at the same time over a couple of years period actually upgrading the right-back option while balancing the books. And then think on that next year, Walker has a year less on his contract, will be a year older, could lose form, could get a serious injury, etc. His price, that cuold be £50 million plus this summer, could end up being half that a year later. And then take into account that both Trix and JJ have hinted that there have been a few problems with Walks.
Now might be the best time to cash in, it could turn out to be a very shrewd piece of squad building, and it may be that if we have to sell one 1st teamer over the next few seasons, the best time and best player to do it. That is strategic thinking. As @thelak says, it is like thinking two or three moves ahead in a game of chess or at snooker.
Again, this is the point. The thinking behind anything that the likes of Dan Levy and Poch do is very, very complex...and you think my posts are long, I can only guess at how long and tortuous their thought processes on an issue like this might be like
It is. Trix has given you one example, the Mickeys selling Torres and buying Suarez. Here is another - United sold Beckham, Ronaldo (greasy, not fat...but greasy in a non anti-semitic slur kinda way...it's just his hair, man!) and Ruud van NistleHorse to RM (despite Fergie saying he wouldn't give them a virus). If you go back to Beckham, United still dominated the league for a decade, and didn't sell the likes of Giggs and Scholes. I know we aren't on the same level as them (yet!), but still, there is no reason to suppose the club will implode form selling Walker. Instead, we might get a nice, hefty £45 - £50 million plus for selling him, hopefully abroad, and using the money, and promoting younglings, end up with a much stronger squad. All good if we can.
Only worry, is that we don't want to strengthen rivals...and if it is to Bayern/RM/Barcelona/PSG (extra £80 million premium for them), we won't be.
@EastLondonYid - come on, Easty, it is all over the media and respected ITK's have said there may* be something in it. It is a viable discussion - as long as folk are respectful (and on that I agree with you - no need to abuse the fella).
And as @DJS says, at some stage one of Walker and Trippier would have to make way if we want to give KWP a shot. We can't keep both of them and promote KWP - three into two just won't go (no smut response, PLEEEEEZZZZZEEEEEEE).
Firstly, I have read my way through this gargantuan splurge of panic, fear and loathing (and BC celebrating). I have seen repeated claims that we can't just rely on Trippier. Has everyone forgot that Dier can also play right-back. Not ideal, obviously - no versatile player ever is the perfect solution in two or more positions, otherwise he probably wouldn't be a versatile player. But that would give us Trippier, Walker-Peters and Dier as options. So we would neither be just relying on Trippier and playing him every game, nor having to hope that Walker-Peters hits the ground running and being left with just Trippier if he fails to.
Secondly, as Trix says in another post, why are folk just stuck on the idea that if he goes it will be to Citeh. The fact that someone with ITK status keeps saying this should tell you that there is a pretty good chance that if he goes it won't be to Citeh or to any other direct rivals.
Exactly. Except in cases of extreme implosion, it is always a safe default to assume that the folk who actually earn their bread and butter working within the club have a much better idea of the complexity of a situation that no marks like us
Again, this is the point. Most fans tend to think game by game. The major movers at the club (Levy, Poch, etc.) are thinking strategically.
Suppose, for instance, that Walker-Peters isn't quite ready this season, but Poch believes he will be soon and will be a better option/part of a better option (or solution, to use Corporate speak) than Walker. We have been operating within costs for quite some time - that is why we have all been marvelling at the two season table, where we are top by several points, while having a net spend of about £5 million. Now, supposing, thinking strategically, Poch believes that we need a couple of major signings and we have a few players coming through that he is confident on, and that will basically give us a squad to be going on with for a few years - he has already spoken of being ahead of schedule here, so he apparently does have a clear vision going forward. So, we may need to sell one player (and, presumably, Sissoko, and some drift), in order to make some fahook signings who take our squad to the next level while at the same time over a couple of years period actually upgrading the right-back option while balancing the books. And then think on that next year, Walker has a year less on his contract, will be a year older, could lose form, could get a serious injury, etc. His price, that cuold be £50 million plus this summer, could end up being half that a year later. And then take into account that both Trix and JJ have hinted that there have been a few problems with Walks.
Now might be the best time to cash in, it could turn out to be a very shrewd piece of squad building, and it may be that if we have to sell one 1st teamer over the next few seasons, the best time and best player to do it. That is strategic thinking. As @thelak says, it is like thinking two or three moves ahead in a game of chess or at snooker.
Again, this is the point. The thinking behind anything that the likes of Dan Levy and Poch do is very, very complex...and you think my posts are long, I can only guess at how long and tortuous their thought processes on an issue like this might be like
It is. Trix has given you one example, the Mickeys selling Torres and buying Suarez. Here is another - United sold Beckham, Ronaldo (greasy, not fat...but greasy in a non anti-semitic slur kinda way...it's just his hair, man!) and Ruud van NistleHorse to RM (despite Fergie saying he wouldn't give them a virus). If you go back to Beckham, United still dominated the league for a decade, and didn't sell the likes of Giggs and Scholes. I know we aren't on the same level as them (yet!), but still, there is no reason to suppose the club will implode form selling Walker. Instead, we might get a nice, hefty £45 - £50 million plus for selling him, hopefully abroad, and using the money, and promoting younglings, end up with a much stronger squad. All good if we can.
Only worry, is that we don't want to strengthen rivals...and if it is to Bayern/RM/Barcelona/PSG (extra £80 million premium for them), we won't be.
@EastLondonYid - come on, Easty, it is all over the media and respected ITK's have said there may* be something in it. It is a viable discussion - as long as folk are respectful (and on that I agree with you - no need to abuse the fella).
And as @DJS says, at some stage one of Walker and Trippier would have to make way if we want to give KWP a shot. We can't keep both of them and promote KWP - three into two just won't go (no smut response, PLEEEEEZZZZZEEEEEEE).
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StartingPrice
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tiger666
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In the same way Kyle Naughton can
JUSTINSIGNAL
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Bloody Sherwood...causing players to leave we hadn't even bought yet
Oh shit, I actually meant Hugo
nailsy
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There are a couple of points that haven't really been mentioned much since the article about Walker appeared. Everyone's been talking about Walker missing two big matches in the semi-final and the match against Arsenal, but it's also worth remembering that he only started three of our six Champions League matches so we've seen rotation of the full backs all season even in the big games.
The other thing that keeps getting mentioned is that Walkers attracting interest from many of the big clubs, but hardly anyone's mentioned how attractive Tottenham are to other teams players right now. Our stock has probably never been higher. Anyone looking to come to the Premier League this season will probably be looking at Chelsea, City, United and us as their first choices. If we sell Walker we should have more options than ever as we pursue a replacement in the squad, be that at RB, or in any of the other positions if KWP is promoted to first team duties.
The other thing that keeps getting mentioned is that Walkers attracting interest from many of the big clubs, but hardly anyone's mentioned how attractive Tottenham are to other teams players right now. Our stock has probably never been higher. Anyone looking to come to the Premier League this season will probably be looking at Chelsea, City, United and us as their first choices. If we sell Walker we should have more options than ever as we pursue a replacement in the squad, be that at RB, or in any of the other positions if KWP is promoted to first team duties.
StartingPrice
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Yup.
It was exactly the process when we sold Yedlin. Our squad builders need to evaluate all the right backs at the club and trying and project that over the next couple of years.
Yedlin wasn't a kid anymore.
Could we keep sending him on loan?
Could we afford to have three senior right backs plus an exciting prospect?
Was he likely to overtake either Walks or Trippier?
Whuch of him and KWP is likely to be the better long-term option?
I quite liked Yedlin, and certainly didn't have anything against him. But it was probably the right time, for him as well as us, to sell.
Hoddtastic72
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Perhaps Walker can be our Sissoko
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