The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 12th June 2017

SDogg · Jun 18, 2017

So potentially Barkley AND Lemar, that's interesting. Certainly improves the squad like we have been craving!

Everlasting Seconds · Jun 18, 2017

allatsea said:
How is Barkley easy when Everton want 50 million ? Fair value with only one year on his contract is around 15 million I would have thought. Unfortunately Everton don't seem to agree so if it is to be done it will likely be a last minute job.

allatsea said:
There has to be some idea of fair value even in today's sky high market or no one knows what any player is worth. If as I said fair value for Barkley is say 15 million Levy may be prepared to go to say 20 million to get the deal done but anything more than that and he will move on to other players. I accept my idea of fair value may be on the low side in the current market but every chairman except those with money trees will set limits to what they will spend on a particular player. In the case of Barkley I would guess if Everton insist on too high a price we will wait until next summer.

1) What is fair value? Who determines fair value? Fair value is what a buyer is prepared to fork out. That's fair – to sell at the price somebody wants to give. You can't say fair value is 15 if you believe Levy thinks its fine with going to 20. Then 20 is the fair value, or closer to the mark anyway, because there is a buyer at that price tag.
2) The bit in bold –I believe this is exactly the issue this summer. Nobody has a freaking clue how to accurate assess a reasonable price tag. I suspect prices are going so high, so rapidly that knowing what a player is or isn't worth has never been harder.

voxy28 · Jun 18, 2017

Trix said:
Oh and I will just add. He says there is no value left to be had in the Prem pretty much every average Joe has a £20 mil valuation on there heads now. The academy will become more important than ever in the coming seasons.

So we just might be able to sell Sissoko at 30M....

As for academy, it is also likely we have to buy high for young talents and is Levy ready to pay.

danielneeds · Jun 18, 2017

WiganSpur said:
Expected Barkley to drag on tbh. I think it might be a deadline day transfer, Levy will no doubt try to get them to cave by dragging things out. The ball is probably in our court with this one to be fair unless other teams become interested.

It will be good to get one of Lemar, Pereira, Sessegnon in before pre-season starts but I don't think we'll make any signings until the season starts personally. I certainly don't think Lemar will be in any rush to sign considering the amount of other offers he'll likely have.

I really don't understand Barkley dragging on. Both Levy and Kenwright are experienced chairmen, can't they both get round the table and say that it suits neither for it to drag on. Everton want to free up the squad space and get the replacements in, and we want Barkley to have a proper Poch beasting in pre-season.

I'm sure Levy would get as good a result doing this as trying to wait until deadline day to squeeze them. Sissoko proved that it doesn't work anymore.

duffster · Jun 18, 2017

jonathanhotspur said:
If we were to sell Dier, we should be holding out for £50m. Therefore, in my opinion, if we were to talk numbers with Utd, we should probably throw out a figure of £70m to begin with.

If we value him at £50m then we should only sell him for significantly more than that.

Everlasting Seconds · Jun 18, 2017

danielneeds said:
I really don't understand Barkley dragging on. Both Levy and Kenwright are experienced chairmen, can't they both get round the table and say that it suits neither for it to drag on. Everton want to free up the squad space and get the replacements in, and we want Barkley to have a proper Poch beasting in pre-season.

I'm sure Levy would get as good a result doing this as trying to wait until deadline day to squeeze them. Sissoko proved that it doesn't work anymore.

What is so hard to understand when more clubs are in for him?

Tucker · Jun 18, 2017

What's the deal with the RO these days? Are certain updates not welcome in there?

duffster · Jun 18, 2017

SDogg said:
So potentially Barkley AND Lemar, that's interesting. Certainly improves the squad like we have been craving!

What is Lemar's position? I have v little knowledge of non PL players (or non-Spurs tbh).

Col_M · Jun 18, 2017

Tucker said:
What's the deal with the RO these days? Are certain updates not welcome in there?

Apparently A&C has a life to live and SC isn't his reason d'etre. Thankfully he'll need to write a new page for his poo chronicles soon so I'm sure he'll find a gap in his scahedule.

Tucker · Jun 18, 2017

Col_M said:
Apparently A&C has a life to live and SC isn't his reason d'etre. Thankfully he'll need to write a new page for his poo chronicles soon so I'm sure he'll find a gap in his scahedule.

Wasn't having a go, just didn't want to copy a load of stuff over into a thread in there if it wasn't the right thing to do.

daryl hannah · Jun 18, 2017

duffster said:
What is Lemar's position? I have v little knowledge of non PL players (or non-Spurs tbh).

Attacking Midfield - predominantly left wing. can play centrally or on the right also

Col_M · Jun 18, 2017

Tucker said:
Wasn't having a go, just didn't want to copy a load of stuff over into a thread in there if it wasn't the right thing to do.

I didn't read it like that. I thought it being Read Only was by definition Read Only and we couldn't add anything in there anyway.

Scott Spur · Jun 18, 2017

allatsea said:
How is Barkley easy when Everton want 50 million ? Fair value with only one year on his contract is around 15 million I would have thought. Unfortunately Everton don't seem to agree so if it is to be done it will likely be a last minute job.

A whole lot easier than if he had 2 or 3 years left on his contract

Everton may want what they like for him but faced with losing him for free they aren't really in a great position, especially with Levy driving a deal :geek:

All changes if another club comes in mind.....

gerishep · Jun 18, 2017

Set to drag out, then fizzle out. This windows million pager.

Joshua · Jun 18, 2017

danielneeds said:
I really don't understand Barkley dragging on. Both Levy and Kenwright are experienced chairmen, can't they both get round the table and say that it suits neither for it to drag on. Everton want to free up the squad space and get the replacements in, and we want Barkley to have a proper Poch beasting in pre-season.

I'm sure Levy would get as good a result doing this as trying to wait until deadline day to squeeze them. Sissoko proved that it doesn't work anymore.

From speaking to Everton fans I think Kenwright is less keen for him to go than Koeman. Could see Kenwright dragging his feet over it.

danielneeds · Jun 18, 2017

Joshua said:
From speaking to Everton fans I think Kenwright is less keen for him to go than Koeman. Could see Kenwright dragging his feet over it.

Nah, they're going on a massive spending spree, they've mentally got rid of Lukaku and Barkley and are backing Koeman to revamp the squad.

Levy is convinced that waiting it out produces results, but I think with someone like Kenwright, sitting down, breaking bread, over a nice bottle of wine and getting real would produce a better deal for everyone.

SDogg · Jun 18, 2017

duffster said:
What is Lemar's position? I have v little knowledge of non PL players (or non-Spurs tbh).

Whenever I have seen him play, he plays in the 3 behind the striker and is left footed

tiger666 · Jun 18, 2017

duffster said:
What is Lemar's position? I have v little knowledge of non PL players (or non-Spurs tbh).

Lamela. Left footed attacking mid.

Gb160 · Jun 18, 2017

danielneeds said:
Levy is convinced that waiting it out produces results, but I think with someone like Kenwright, sitting down, breaking bread, over a nice bottle of wine and getting real would produce a better deal for everyone.

Do u know Kenwright personally then?

danielneeds · Jun 18, 2017

Gb160 said:
Do u know Kenwright personally then?

No, but from what I've seen of him over the years in the media, and his relationships with his managers at Everton, he's a fairly straight talking guy, and appreciates it from those he deals with.

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