The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017
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DEFchenkOE
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Got home from work, turned on eurosport, heard commentator say Edwards had no effect since coming on, Edwards gets on the ball, creates goal, whistle blows not long after, turned off.
Will Edwards have to take a holiday after the Euro U19s and thus effectively miss all of our pre-season putting him behind the rest of the squad?
His close control and ability to turn on a sixpence would clearly be a valuable bench option for us in tight games, and it would be a shame if England U19s' misuse of him (2 x sub appearances in 3 matches) sabotages his Spurs pre-season.
His close control and ability to turn on a sixpence would clearly be a valuable bench option for us in tight games, and it would be a shame if England U19s' misuse of him (2 x sub appearances in 3 matches) sabotages his Spurs pre-season.
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Blake Griffin
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kwp and onomah didn't last season, they basically finished the euros and flew out to australia straight after. that said, i still wouldn't expect edwards to join up with the first team while he's still in limbo with regards to his contract.
Hercules
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Thought Breezer said to the effect that all was good. I doubt that to be the case though-contract wise.
@Breezer said something like he will be with us for a year and then let's see + Edwards knows what he needs to do to move forward at the club
You may well be correct.
My own judgement is that the businessman in Levy was so badly scarred by Campbell leaving on a free (losing a core asset for nothing in accounting terms) that he vowed to implement and stick to a rule of not allowing players to enter their last year of contract.
But a top young talent liike Marcus Edwards surely calls for a little flexibllity. If Edwards is frozen out of first team training, then he will inevitably feel unwanted and leave. Chicken and egg.
Whereas if he's involved, both in pre-season and onwards, and he steadily improves and adapts to Poch's methods, then he's more likely to see some first team game time off the bench. If that happens, and he feels both wanted and that he's becoming a better player, then the chances of his signing a longer contract increase.
I hope the club plays this with intelligence and a little more flexibiity than would be shown to one of our first team players who, for understandable reasons, would not be allowed to enter the last year of his contract.
spursfan77
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EFL Trophy: Barnet, Luton and AFC Wimbledon in our group. Might go to the Wimbledon game as it's not far from me.
Tbh I don't see point of player not playing in final year it achieves nothing.The player just becomes bitter and resentful and more likely to leave .If a player really wants to run his contract down he will.May as well get the best you can out of him.
IGSpur
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Chalobah and Dozzell got injured in the last game. So replacements came in. Maddox would replace Dozzell. Johnson/Chalobah
Sancho is quality. I would love him here especially as the wing area is where we are weak again atm. We don't have any proper tricky winger, the only one that may fit that profile is Bennetts and he isn't on Sancho's level. He is a real flair player and was POTT for teh u17 Euros. However, he'd have to really drop his wage demands. I heard RB Leipzeig were looking at him too, and I would have liked him to have followed Crowley, Oxford, Willock et.al and gone abroad. However if he was seriously looking at moving we'd be mad to not snap him up he could be a star
IGSpur
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Crazy how a year or 2 ago noone would realistically have expected this age group to win a tournament. The only quality players from this age group were Oxford, Edwards, DaSilva and Willock. Now 2 aren't there and one isn't starting. They are still talented but have missed the tournament for different reasons.
Biggest change for me is Edun, I remember he was a LB and he looked really poor I think I remember him getting 2 red cards in 2 games or something, but he has reinvented himself. I imagine the development of Sessegnon helped him as he was forced to move position. This age group now has good depth, and when supplemented by the best 99s are looking very good. I commented previously that the 99s were one of the best age groups I've seen outside of 00s and 97s and half expected them to win the u17 Euros last season, so clever move by Downing to add the best of that age groups to the 98s. Should have probably taken Ugbo up top though.
If we win this year u19s Euros, I'd put money on us winning it next year too, as it could be a 99/00 joint age group. Frustrating with what happened with the u17s as it could have been a real outstanding summer, but they have the WC to correct it.
Biggest change for me is Edun, I remember he was a LB and he looked really poor I think I remember him getting 2 red cards in 2 games or something, but he has reinvented himself. I imagine the development of Sessegnon helped him as he was forced to move position. This age group now has good depth, and when supplemented by the best 99s are looking very good. I commented previously that the 99s were one of the best age groups I've seen outside of 00s and 97s and half expected them to win the u17 Euros last season, so clever move by Downing to add the best of that age groups to the 98s. Should have probably taken Ugbo up top though.
If we win this year u19s Euros, I'd put money on us winning it next year too, as it could be a 99/00 joint age group. Frustrating with what happened with the u17s as it could have been a real outstanding summer, but they have the WC to correct it.
IGSpur
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Ye but there are 2 situations.
Poch doesn't think he is ready yet and won't play him this season, so why would Edwards sign?
Poch does want to play him but without guarantees Edwards won't sign. If we play him regardless, and I am half speculating, we will be developing him further he could potentially star in the PL, and we have no security in case someone wants to come in and sign him up. So we are in a weak position.
Blake Griffin
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agree about edun, he's looking like kante-lite.
i'm not entirely sold on the influx of 99s into this group though. like mount for example, sure he's good enough to play in this team and is one of the better players but i think it's poor planning by the fa to call him up and effectively stifle edwards in the process when really there was no need. then again i don't see why they can't both play and i actually prefer marcus coming in off the right in this formation anyway.
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Saoirse
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Nice group, all easy enough to travel to. Hopefully we get some fans at the games.
IGSpur
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I can understand it. The only gripe we have with is, is that it means Edwards misses out. We discussed a whiel back, how Mount has played more regularly, is a better all roudn player adn can drop into CM. He also has a lot of Chelsea players round him. England being the risk averse country we usually are, probably wanted balance and security and so felt less comfortable with Edwards on RW, when IBR and Sterling are both good players, right footed and strong.
While we don't like it it is working and Edwards coming on is their insurance, but its frustrating to see England still being so risk averse. In terms of using the other 99s, against I don't mind.
What usually happens is when players aren't available they just look for the next in line for the age group. We know this age group doesn't have much depth. And once their other top players weren't available they could either go for weaker players or they promote the better ones from year below and I think they have made the right decisions. It isn't common in English football outside u21s.
I wish the u17s did that. In CM, they missed Gomes, Kirby, Skipp, O'Riley, Gibbs-White and had TOB, McEachran and even Barlow. However they then had to bring Denny as so many missed out. And while all of the players above are of a similar standard, Denny dropped below that standard so once TOB was injured Denny started to slow down our play. What they could have done is then dipped into the 01s and brought in Maghoma who would have been better than Denny. But as we were so rigid with our selection policy they thought it better to bring the 9th best CM in the age group rather than the best in the year below.
IGSpur
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Kane Patterson has been called up to Scotland u16s, now 02s. Makes me wonder why Phoenix was never called up for the Scotland 00 age group. Despite our England age group being so strong, I wouldn't be surprised to see Patterson on the fringes, yet somehow doesn't get a Scotland call-up.
