Shadydan
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That's seen as a risk signing, we would't go anywhere near him.
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That's seen as a risk signing, we would't go anywhere near him.
St José Dominguez
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You say it's particularly easy if one watches more than the PL yet that's all you can come up with?
Selke is unproven, sure he might be a star and you can give self a pat on the back but signing him would be a punt. The polish striker (who I'm guessing has had injury issues as only started 6 league games in the 2 years prior) had a top scoring season in Belgian league, he's 26, yet he's certain of being a hit ahead of a 21 yr old top scorer in Holland.
Alcacer cost Barca 30m euro a year ago, he's 23 and he won't leave Barca after a year what with an aging Suarez in team.
Sandro must be on big money because Everton signed him without much competition. He left Barca to get first team football there's not a chance he'd have come to be backup to Kane, he may as well have stayed at Barca if didn't care about being first choice.
And finally a guy with heart issues causing Juve to pull out of signing him who'd cost massive money at a time when we've got little money.
Still not seen a single suggestion of a) someone attainable and properly proven at high level b) happy to be backup on likely 70k a week c) much more than a 50/50 chance of actually being a success.
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Yes yes yes, I understand that you hold an insatiable need to talk down a Spurs player who has done nothing to deserve the raging level of underestimation from fans. A young, cheap (for the current market) player who has showed definite signs of improvements. Let's take yet another chance at talking him down.
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thebenjamin
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Yes yes yes, I understand that you hold an insatiable need to talk down a Spurs players who has done nothing to deserve the raging level of underestimation from fans. A young, cheap (for the current market) player who has showed definite signs of improvements. Let's take yet another chance at talking him down.
Calm down mate. You said he was an 'accomplished' player from a foreign league. Which he clearly isn't having only played one season in the top division of a league far weaker than England. You can't just say stuff that's fundamentally untrue and not expect people to pull you up on it.
heelspurs
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Ok, fair enough but there was a back and forth if I remember correctly. Evidently most of that was in the month before the window opened and his delay lasted less than 2 weeks. But considering that most that saw his clips concluded he needed fitness and agility/speed work to succeed that 2 weeks was vital in the early season. It's about putting players in positions to succeed and not struggle from the off.
heelspurs
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And youth signings aren't? If you wouldn't go near him without actually knowing what the issue is I would not consider that responsible. Good player that by all mean we should have been interested in at full price but one party says unfit and another says he is fine. As the chairman of a lesser moneyed team trying to compete with moneyed clubs I would consider it a dereliction of duty not to investigate it. That is why you do your due diligence and that would include a full cardiology workup to assess the risk and potential treatment (if nec). As Poch says we need to be 'clever' in the market. I wonder how much we regret not taking Moussa 2 because of reported knee concerns now.
heelspurs
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So much foolishness in this post. I won't hit all your 'points' as this post doesn't warrant a full response.
But do you really know how much 70k is a week? Do you understand that that is more that 95% of all European footballers make? Your perspective is warped. And any backup striker we get is not coming in on 70k. Dybala (f*cking Dybala) makes 90k euros (reported) on his new contract. FFS get some perspective.
Proven? Proven!!!??!!?? WTF? We don't buy proven. If they were proven they wouldn't be a backup and we couldn't afford them. Attainable and proven are diametrically opposed in our economic status. Ridiculous.
I never said Alcacer would leave. I asked would Barca get rid as there had been reports that they were unhappy. I asked a question, simple.
The point of my post is that there are players out there. People were saying that the peeps that were complaining about Janssen (me NOT being one of them) could not come up with other options. So I did. Simple.
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Love you too.
Cravenspurs
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Here's a suggestion...Bobby Wood. Been banging on this drum over and over, but adds pace, technique and would be cheap.
To keep my reply on target with this thread...Vince has cement feet. Dude can't control the ball for the life of him.
heelspurs
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'preciate it. I will take that as a QED.
Everlasting Seconds
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He showed, in absolute terms, improvement from his first appearances to his last appearances. If you count improvement only in number of goals, you'll miss how he really developed.
Everlasting Seconds
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People disagree with this.
Some fans want so very much to see a player as a failure without nuances. Sickening, really.
shelfboy68
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People disagree with this.
Some fans want so very much to see a player as a failure without nuances. Sickening, really.
There is more to a strikers game overall but ultimately they are judged on goals scored.
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You'd think so, but here on SC, not so much. Pavlyuchenko got a dogs abuse on here and he had a pretty good goals to appearances ratio. I said much the same thing as you've done here but got told I was talking bollocks
Harry Kane didn't get Pav levels of abuse but a large number of people here on SC said they couldn't see him making it, much like what's happening here. Jansen may or may not be a success here, I hope he is, but I've no idea. Having said that, if you take the above into consideration, it's a pretty safe bet that despite the strong onions, nobody else really has a clue either
like him....not convinced by his finishing
heelspurs
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TBF those may have just been reflexive responses to your postsYou'd think so, but here on SC, not so much. Pavlyuchenko got a dogs abuse on here and he had a pretty good goals to appearances ratio. I said much the same thing as you've done here but got told I was talking bollocks
Harry Kane didn't get Pav levels of abuse but a large number of people here on SC said they couldn't see him making it, much like what's happening here. Jansen may or may not be a success here, I hope he is, but I've no idea. Having said that, if you take the above into consideration, it's a pretty safe bet that despite the strong onions, nobody else really has a clue either
Ossie85
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People disagree with this.
Some fans want so very much to see a player as a failure without nuances. Sickening, really.
Or some fans simply disagree with what you've said. Is that too hard to understand?
I haven't seen any improvement since the day he arrived. He's as useless as ever.
If you think he did, good for you. I think it's more wishful thinking than fact.
I have no petty desire to see him fail. I just don't think he's good enough.
I want the best for the team and right now I have more faith in Shayon Harrison being useful to the team in the long term than Janssen.
Everlasting Seconds
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Yes, indeed it is. It is very hard for to understand that one would not see any improvement in him. I suspect that's only down to not wanting to see it.
Krule
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Please explain to me (and I suspect many others) what you mean by the expression 'in absolute terms' ?? The guy was brought in to score goals and hasn't...it was his first season so in goalscoring terms for Spurs he had nothing to 'improve' upon but was setting a standard to be compared to for future seasons. Please do not just type he has improved/developed since being with us....kindly enlighten me/us in what areas of play have you seen this ??
Surely that's not too much to ask....
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