The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 3rd January

0-Tibsy-0 · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
15-20mil transfer fee 100k per week for 5 years wages plus agents fees etc is well in excess of 40 mil. That's just for Barkley, and if it doesn't work out injury wise we are stuck with that, or at least the bulk of it.

Sell Sissoko for 14 million and save 3 years of his 95k a week wages and it wouldn't be looking so bad, we could easily afford Barkley and another!

(I guess hypothetical scenarios on a message board are a little less complicated than real life though...)

spursfan77 · Jan 5, 2018

thebenjamin said:
Just as Poch demands January transfers, we let one slip in preference for a summer one that might happen.

But probably won't. We've heard it all before. No player is coming until a contract is signed. Why would that player sign it now when he can see if more options are available in the summer? I wouldn't get your hopes up. If the player can come it would happen now or at least be announced now.

Insomnia · Jan 5, 2018

Japhet said:
As I've said before, Barkley has as much chance of going to the WC as Danny Drinkwater if he joins Chelsea. Not bothered that we didn't throw 15m and 100k per week at a player in his condition to be honest. Chelsea have found their replacement for Steve Sidwell I'd imagine.

I think Rubens Loftus Cheek will leave now & I personally think he has the higher ceiling out of the two of them, just my onions

Primativ · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
15-20mil transfer fee 100k per week for 5 years wages plus agents fees etc is well in excess of 40 mil. That's just for Barkley, and if it doesn't work out injury wise we are stuck with that, or at least the bulk of it.

Yeah and how much has Sissoko cost the club? 30 million transfer free. Agents fees. 80k a week over 4 or 5 years? 50 million?

Barkley is easily worth 40 million over the course of 5 years football. Blimey most players of Barkleys ability and future potential cost that in transfer fees alone. So if we thought Barkley was too costly I have to seriously question what on earth our board are doing...

This was an outstanding opportunity to bring in a talented English player to bolster our squad and yet again we have failed to a team who will no doubt finish above us again this season and are actually showing some bloody ambition.

pablo73 · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
A lot of disappointment regarding Barkley, and believe me I feel the same. Facts are we just aren't going to gamble on him right now because of his injuries, and he is desperate to play in order to try and make the WC squad. Chelsea clearly can afford to take the risk as they have lots of previous for buying players that end up hardly ever playing for them, and they just write them off if it doesn't work out.

But we're happy to gamble £30 million on Sissoko who anyone in their right minds can see is a very limited player even at optimum fitness levels. Bizarre.

worcestersauce · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
15-20mil transfer fee 100k per week for 5 years wages plus agents fees etc is well in excess of 40 mil. That's just for Barkley, and if it doesn't work out injury wise we are stuck with that, or at least the bulk of it.

I wasn't aware that the transfer fee would be £20 million and if we kept him for five years that would surely mean he was a success wouldn't it? Surely that's real point of buying a player isn't it? If as you say, it doesn't work out then we would allow him to move elsewhere and recoup our money, but I think we have had that conversation before.
The only real argument is if his injury is so bad that his career is over, most unlikely but you may know more than I do on that subject.

knowlespurs · Jan 5, 2018

0-Tibsy-0 said:
Sell Sissoko for 14 million and save 3 years of his 95k a week wages and it wouldn't be looking so bad, we could easily afford Barkley and another!

(I guess hypothetical scenarios on a message board are a little less complicated than real life though...)

who is going to pay 14m for sissoko then pay him 95k per week?

Ghost Hardware · Jan 5, 2018

daryl hannah said:
Assuming the player from Watford is Richarlison and not a re-signing of Gomes/Kaboul, I'd be a little bit underwhelmed. He's got potential, but not exactly a Salah type, is he. Be interesting to see what his price tag is.

Agree, yes the kid has potential, but from what I have seen he still looks very raw and I’m not completely sold on his dribbling ability in tight spaces. Still he is very young and could well go up another few levels. But at this point we really need someone more developed and considering he plays for Watford and has only been there one season I don’t see why they wouldn’t ask for something like 40/50 mil for him. Condisering how tight money supposedly is I don’t think we are at a place were we should be paying so much for someone who would need a lot of time before they can really benefit us. I guess we need to see how he develops over the rest of the season.

Trix · Jan 5, 2018

In general...

Sissokko plays in nearly every fucking game. If the manager thought he was as shit as some of you he wouldn't, end of story.

This is not ITK, it's just blatantly bloody obvious. Just because you don't rate a player it doesn't mean the manager doesn't.

Ffs it can't really be that difficult to understand. Can it?

Not gambling on Barkley is injury related and nothing more. Sissokko has no bearing or relevance whatsoever!

0-Tibsy-0 · Jan 5, 2018

knowlespurs said:
who is going to pay 14m for sissoko then pay him 95k per week?

I know, sounds bloody unbelievable and completely unrealistic.

But some fucking mugs paid 30million for him and gave him those same wages! Can you imagine..?!

0-Tibsy-0 · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
In general...

Sissokko plays in nearly every fucking game. If the manager thought he was as shit as some of you he wouldn't, end of story.

This is not ITK, it's just blatantly bloody obvious. Just because you don't rate a player it doesn't mean the manager doesn't.

Ffs it can't really be that difficult to understand. Can it?

I'd assume only because of Winks, Wanyama and Dembele all being injured at different times.

Hengy1 · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
In general...

Sissokko plays in nearly every fucking game. If the manager thought he was as shit as some of you he wouldn't, end of story.

This is not ITK, it's just blatantly bloody obvious. Just because you don't rate a player it doesn't mean the manager doesn't.

Ffs it can't really be that difficult to understand. Can it?

Nothing to do with players being injured and he’s all he’s got left can it?

dagraham · Jan 5, 2018

Mr Pink said:
Surely it's worth paying more for a player now to help improve a position/area we're weak in to improve our chances of getting top 4, surely?

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Saha and Nelson.

This Barkley situation was always panning out like this. Once Levy has to do a risk assessment, sees a contract running down and perceives us as having leverage he starts salivating. If only there wasn't another club interested and the player was happy to put his career on hold while Levy does his transfer dance we'd be ok.

I'm just surprised people are surprised by this.

Goobers · Jan 5, 2018

wallyjakeman said:
Let's hope Poch agrees with the RB decision. It's easy to feel that way right after dropped points, but I really think we need someone to come in and bring some new energy and spark up the team right away. Even though he has been injured Barkley was good from that perspective. I'm a little worried that summer is too late, especially if we miss out on CL football and our targets depend on that.

I understand th disappointment but equally I understand DL’s position. You have a player recovering from a serious injury who has not kicked a ball in anger for about 5 months who has six months left on their contract with no guarantee abou the potential return to 100%. Surely this is a gamble, as much as I rate Barkley, that we don’t need to immediately take.

Colonel Dax · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
15-20mil transfer fee 100k per week for 5 years wages plus agents fees etc is well in excess of 40 mil. That's just for Barkley, and if it doesn't work out injury wise we are stuck with that, or at least the bulk of it.

A thorough medical could determine whether the injury was likely to impact his career in the long term. Admittedly he could break down again or suffer another injury but that's the risk with any footballer.

Thing is, a fit and healthy Barkley on a long term contract would cost in the region of £50m. That's just the fee. We're continually told we cant afford this level of player and that we have to pick up cheaper alternatives. This was our chance. Sure the wages would still be high but fee wise it's ridiculously cheap for a relatively young England international. Our midfield is crying out for creative options and this was our opportunity to help address that.

Primativ · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
In general...

Sissokko plays in nearly every fucking game. If the manager thought he was as shit as some of you he wouldn't, end of story.

This is not ITK, it's just blatantly bloody obvious. Just because you don't rate a player it doesn't mean the manager doesn't.

Ffs it can't really be that difficult to understand. Can it?

Poch is clearly playing Sissoko because we have zero other options. If Poch had a choice between Barkley or Sissoko playing that role last night, he would choose Barkley all day long. Sissoko was beyond atrocious last night. If Poch genuinely thinks Sissoko is worth a place In the side, well then serious questions have to be asked of Poch's blind spot. It's the biggest mystery at Spurs currently. Just what does Poch see in Sissoko?

Unbelievable that Poch and Levy rate ugly brawn over ball playing ability. But I don't think Poch does. We should have signed RB this Jan. He immediately offers more to us than Sissoko and could take his place in the side. We then sell Sissoko in the summer. Our squad and team is instantly improved.

dellybelly · Jan 5, 2018

HildoSpur said:
I think the best we can hope for this window is securing Sessegnon for the summer.

I'd be satisfied with that.

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 5, 2018

Colonel Dax said:
A thorough medical could determine whether the injury was likely to impact his career in the long term. Admittedly he could break down again or suffer another injury but that's the risk with any footballer.

Thing is, a fit and healthy Barkley on a long term contract would cost in the region of £50m. That's just the fee. We're continually told we cant afford this level of player and that we have to pick up cheaper alternatives. This was our chance. Sure the wages would still be high but fee wise it's ridiculously cheap for a relatively young England international. Our midfield is crying out for creative options and this was our opportunity to help address that.

It's one or the other.

:ROFLMAO:

Trix · Jan 5, 2018

Colonel Dax said:
A thorough medical could determine whether the injury was likely to impact his career in the long term. Admittedly he could break down again or suffer another injury but that's the risk with any footballer.

Thing is, a fit and healthy Barkley on a long term contract would cost in the region of £50m. That's just the fee. We're continually told we cant afford this level of player and that we have to pick up cheaper alternatives. This was our chance. Sure the wages would still be high but fee wise it's ridiculously cheap for a relatively young England international. Our midfield is crying out for creative options and this was our opportunity to help address that.

No it couldn't.

With that I'm done for this window. :censored:

Everlasting Seconds · Jan 5, 2018

Trix said:
No it couldn't.

With that I'm done for this window.

Enjoy your January (y)

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