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Everything I've seen has said we want Sess as a Rose replacement?
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mill
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World Cup? I think you mean the euros and it wasn’t his age group, he didn’t play in the u-17 World Cup because he moved up to the u-19 euros team
cider spurs
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Sorry. Everything to me points to Sessegnon excelling further forward as opposed to a full back.
Strength. Pace, eye for a goal. Seems to almost be following the same path as Bale.
Why you think he is playing in a more advanced role more often than not already?.
I'd suggest because this is where he operates best and is most effective.
Within the ‘is he really worth 50m debate, inseparably connected to the Sessegnon signing decision imo is the Rose sale issue- with Man U seemingly hovering+meddling in the background for both players.
It’s probably true that due to this factor and the crazy market we will have to pay over the odds for Sessegnon with all the implications that come with that, but even if his true ‘comp market value’ as a 17 year old championship left sided regular ‘prospect’ is nearer 30m than the 50m (presumably with a good chunk of that still paid on a contingent basis) the fact remains he’s worth it to us as a club at this point to support our evolution under Pochs management for reasons beyond his own potential trajectory evaluation:
This is because there’s a major subtext to his signing/non-signing that makes a statement to the world and to Man U/Mourinho about how we now conduct our transfer business as a club. We may be forever poorer than the United’s and the petro’s but with a likely turnover of $400m+in our new stadium should be close enough at least to make it clear that we aren’t ‘bullyable’ any longer.
Between seducing Dier, Rose and Tony (plus key staff targeted from youth upto managerial level) there have plainly been ‘games afoot’ from a threatened Man U outfit in these past couple of years. And the Poch approach of drop em and sell em abroad is an admirable Fergiesque policy to now establish. (Walkers sale - who btw is responsible conceding a key goal a week over the last month- for a crazy 54m to City remains justified imo on grounds that we weren’t competing with them in league this year at Wembley and at 27 was the last best window to cash in on a player who I think will be commonly recognized as inferior to his replacement Aurier by the end of next year and an expensive relic- too expensive to drop but not quite on the technical level of his teammates to flow.)
Last year it would have taken more than the Walker fee to get Rose based on his relative talent and scarcity. And while its now true that Rose’s stock has gone down due perhaps to 40million due to the meddling, his mouth, injury and lack of time to return to his peak: I still think if he’s suitably chastened, recovered and remotivated next year, that he remains a better (homegrown longest serving player) option for us than any gamble on buying the Celtic left back or any other foreign option I’ve seen proposed.
I hope we are very strong and decisive about his situation this summer and it becomes clear to him, other players and the world that we are the ones calling the shots with our tapped up players. It’s either abroad, up north only with a counterbalanced swap deal/massive price premium attached, or rot. We need to be going into the new stadium in control of a fully motivated squad.
Assumably, he’ll still go to the World Cup and get some game time in which case the situation will have to wait to be resolved until after then but the way I see it, is that the only way he can stay domestic is as part of a swap deal with Shaw. Which leaves the deal a balanced risk from both sides. Shaw ‘could’ still be a star- he’s athleticly got the lot and still is just 22. Being that he’s now virtually unretainable for Mourinhos management (constructive dismissal talk et al) his drop in transfer value to almost nothing counters Roses loss in value. A scenario of Shaw+35m is fine or Rose to psg for 35-40m, or in the event that he wants to challenge for his place again he says all the public platitudes to Spurs we’d require and signs a new deal ( likely on less than he would have recievied). The last probably is the most simple scenario for finalizing Poch’s squad in terms of ease transfer market execution being that it requires just one (deliverable if overpriced) signing. But this obviously only works if Sessegnon is brought in setting the typology of our future left (wing) back role as attacking and pacey. Davies in the medium term then maiy slots into a left cb role in a 3 even if it’s harsh to switch him after the season he’s had, this position best utilizes his natural talent set and should keep him as a key part of the squad for the forseable, without the nagging sense that his pace remains forever exposable vulnerability by the Salah, Sane, Willian types.
It’s probably true that due to this factor and the crazy market we will have to pay over the odds for Sessegnon with all the implications that come with that, but even if his true ‘comp market value’ as a 17 year old championship left sided regular ‘prospect’ is nearer 30m than the 50m (presumably with a good chunk of that still paid on a contingent basis) the fact remains he’s worth it to us as a club at this point to support our evolution under Pochs management for reasons beyond his own potential trajectory evaluation:
This is because there’s a major subtext to his signing/non-signing that makes a statement to the world and to Man U/Mourinho about how we now conduct our transfer business as a club. We may be forever poorer than the United’s and the petro’s but with a likely turnover of $400m+in our new stadium should be close enough at least to make it clear that we aren’t ‘bullyable’ any longer.
Between seducing Dier, Rose and Tony (plus key staff targeted from youth upto managerial level) there have plainly been ‘games afoot’ from a threatened Man U outfit in these past couple of years. And the Poch approach of drop em and sell em abroad is an admirable Fergiesque policy to now establish. (Walkers sale - who btw is responsible conceding a key goal a week over the last month- for a crazy 54m to City remains justified imo on grounds that we weren’t competing with them in league this year at Wembley and at 27 was the last best window to cash in on a player who I think will be commonly recognized as inferior to his replacement Aurier by the end of next year and an expensive relic- too expensive to drop but not quite on the technical level of his teammates to flow.)
Last year it would have taken more than the Walker fee to get Rose based on his relative talent and scarcity. And while its now true that Rose’s stock has gone down due perhaps to 40million due to the meddling, his mouth, injury and lack of time to return to his peak: I still think if he’s suitably chastened, recovered and remotivated next year, that he remains a better (homegrown longest serving player) option for us than any gamble on buying the Celtic left back or any other foreign option I’ve seen proposed.
I hope we are very strong and decisive about his situation this summer and it becomes clear to him, other players and the world that we are the ones calling the shots with our tapped up players. It’s either abroad, up north only with a counterbalanced swap deal/massive price premium attached, or rot. We need to be going into the new stadium in control of a fully motivated squad.
Assumably, he’ll still go to the World Cup and get some game time in which case the situation will have to wait to be resolved until after then but the way I see it, is that the only way he can stay domestic is as part of a swap deal with Shaw. Which leaves the deal a balanced risk from both sides. Shaw ‘could’ still be a star- he’s athleticly got the lot and still is just 22. Being that he’s now virtually unretainable for Mourinhos management (constructive dismissal talk et al) his drop in transfer value to almost nothing counters Roses loss in value. A scenario of Shaw+35m is fine or Rose to psg for 35-40m, or in the event that he wants to challenge for his place again he says all the public platitudes to Spurs we’d require and signs a new deal ( likely on less than he would have recievied). The last probably is the most simple scenario for finalizing Poch’s squad in terms of ease transfer market execution being that it requires just one (deliverable if overpriced) signing. But this obviously only works if Sessegnon is brought in setting the typology of our future left (wing) back role as attacking and pacey. Davies in the medium term then maiy slots into a left cb role in a 3 even if it’s harsh to switch him after the season he’s had, this position best utilizes his natural talent set and should keep him as a key part of the squad for the forseable, without the nagging sense that his pace remains forever exposable vulnerability by the Salah, Sane, Willian types.
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I would rather spend £100m+ and get Sessegnon, James Maddisson and a young CB than buy any of our old stars back or sign any experienced players whatsoever. Seems that the transfer market value for players has shot up, and wages are far higher for proven, older players than youth. At least if you sign young and they at least do OK (Wimmer) or do well (Bale, Walker...) you get either a good fee or a fantastic fee.
This past year, we sold Walker. With the money spent, we bought in Aurier to replace almost like for like AND got Moura. Thats quite an upgrade.
If we get Sess & Maddison, they will want decent wages but nothing near what a Bale would want, and if they do well, we have players who would cost £100m each in 3-5 years time assuming the arse doesn't fall out of world footballs finances. If they fail, well theres always clubs like Stoke to pay for them at probably our cost price once you factor transfer fee inflation in (Wimmer!! £18m!! Winner, winner chicken dinner!).
In short, sign young, sign quality and pay reasonably. At least you have a chance to recoup some cash and we've not paid over the odds on wages for a bench warmer (Llorente!).
This past year, we sold Walker. With the money spent, we bought in Aurier to replace almost like for like AND got Moura. Thats quite an upgrade.
If we get Sess & Maddison, they will want decent wages but nothing near what a Bale would want, and if they do well, we have players who would cost £100m each in 3-5 years time assuming the arse doesn't fall out of world footballs finances. If they fail, well theres always clubs like Stoke to pay for them at probably our cost price once you factor transfer fee inflation in (Wimmer!! £18m!! Winner, winner chicken dinner!).
In short, sign young, sign quality and pay reasonably. At least you have a chance to recoup some cash and we've not paid over the odds on wages for a bench warmer (Llorente!).
In terms of market forces you are certainly right in the profile we should target.
Moreover our entire first 11 except for (the very game experienced) Alli+Sanchez being in the 24-31 peak age range, we have the luxury of prioritizing elite youth signings without compromising battle experience of our first 11, balancing our more immediate need for results.
Moreover our entire first 11 except for (the very game experienced) Alli+Sanchez being in the 24-31 peak age range, we have the luxury of prioritizing elite youth signings without compromising battle experience of our first 11, balancing our more immediate need for results.
ernest_lowrider
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why should we even consider Rose -> <- Shaw swap deal since Shaw's contract expires at the end of the season and if so, he will be a free agent?
edit: right, it was supposed to expire before united extended it by a year, just skip my post
edit: right, it was supposed to expire before united extended it by a year, just skip my post
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Shaw has one season left after this season.
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Just had a look at who represents Maddison, his agent has a few of our current and former players... Might help us do a deal?
https://www.transfermarkt.com/base-soccer-agency-ltd/beraterfirma/berater/674
https://www.transfermarkt.com/base-soccer-agency-ltd/beraterfirma/berater/674
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Our kinda signing! Young, talented and nearly out of contract!
Shadydan
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Base Soccer represent Walker and Rose so not really sure about that.
ernest_lowrider
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Oh you're right, he had a contract clause allowing United to extend it until 2019.
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And Naughton, Lennon and Onomah... Means we have a relationship with the agent already. From what I know about agents having met a few, they work to set up deals for the next window almost as soon as the last window shuts. Wouldn't surprise me if we were already in negotiations...
Ossie85
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100+ for Sess and Maddisson is not 'pay reasonably'. And we have not paid over the odds for Llorente. He was very cheap
100m for 2 young players who only played in the Championship is ridiculous.
The thing about players like Wimmer is that we bought him cheap. That's the key in this. If Sess and Maddison end up failing it will be more "cut our losses" than a "good fee" like you claim
Luckily we have Levy in charge
Ossie85
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There are better and simpler ways of showing we won't be bullied than ridiculously overpaying for a kid.
Sign Bale or another world class player and you'll send a bigger message
Ossie85
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Before the England-Italy match when Trix mentioned it?
tiger666
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This has to be one of the best things I've ever read on here.
I don’t even know that much
Not sure where you are going with the 50%. Not sure even 50% of transfers workout okay and they are chosen, mostly, after thorough checks by expert club staff. So what would the percentage be if us on the internet were doing the selecting ? Less than 10% would be my guess.
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Trix
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Don't know mate could have. I had mentioned Cristante on here, and it was doing the rounds in agents circles prior to his article. There is nothing afaik that he has said that hasn't been mentioned in here or elsewhere, but that doesn't mean he hasn't recently picked up a decent contact for us.
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