THFCSPURS19
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You'd play Vardy against a team that is going to sit deep the whole game? Why?
World Cup Discussion Thread - Day 20 (3 July)
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Bus-Conductor
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So it’s ok to be a **** if the other team are being a bit ****y?
Hmmm...
My point wasn’t necessarily to measure who scored highest on the ****ometer our of Henderson and Neymar, but to point out hypocrisy in here from people who get apoplectic when any foreigners do it, but when an English player does it, don’t even mention it, or claim he’s “entitled”.
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Whose head are you using in order to conduct said experiment?
Do you need volunteers?
Streetspur77
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Well done, I presume not being headbutted in the jaw helped with that.
The idea English people don’t criticise English players is also just wrong. Do you not remember how hated David Beckham was after 98 or Rooney in 2006? Trying to call people Xenophobic here is pretty pathetic.
Henderson got headbutted in the face and went down holding his face. Neymar had someone press their foot onto his ankle and then waited until he took his foot off and then rolled again literally as if he’d been shot. You’re actually wrong here, they can’t be compared.
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Did he shite... Barrios gave him a reverse head butt, and Henderson made it clear to all that he had been. He was up and re-engaged within seconds.
Neymar doesn't deserve to be on a football pitch, he should be in a circus.
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Well he is a scouter git with a bit of the Nancy boy. I have to laugh when those morons on RAWK go on about him being the real captain. He lost his shit out there while Kane was everything he was not.
mpickard2087
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If they sit deep then as well as moving the ball about well it also means we will need players prepared to be in the penalty area and up against their centre backs. Sterling up front isn't working, he's brought nothing to the role at all so far and doesn't understand how and where to make runs and occupy defenders. Vardy didn't exactly have a lot of space to work in last night, or do anything spectacular, but the nuts and bolts of centre forward play he did pretty well I thought in his cameo. Peeling into channels and getting down the sides of the centre backs etc and being an outlet and trying to work the defence. Certainly far superior to what Sterling was offering. And lets be honest, Kane's all round game was much improved last night, but he's still not going at full tilt, running channels with gusto etc. and could do with someone else sharing the workload.
I'd even consider Welbeck in all truth, but I'd have another centre forward out there and just keep trying to work their centre backs/defence.
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I think the problem is more that Sterling is pretty much playing as a 9 and Kane as a 10.
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Trying to remember - Was it Stones that "might have " left a foot in on a Colombian player ?
It that had been Dele would he have been hung drawn and quartered by many including RAWK and the British media ? Maybe not in this case, not sure.
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I just headbutted myself in the jaw 20 times, and when I came round I was wearing a Liverpool kit.
I’m not sure how this factors into the data.
Jokes.
Can’t stand Henderson, but you have to go down if you’ve been headbutted, or even fouled in a circumstance that won’t be picked up on otherwise, unless staying up gives you a chance to score. Going down when you’ve been fouled isn’t diving. It’s a shame it’s necessary but it is because the players doing the cheating are so adept at doing so in a way that escapes attention. World of difference between that and what Neymar does continually, almost every time he touches the ball, every game, which is absolutely pathetic. I’m so tired of his whining screaming smacked toddler face, and his attitude toward fellow players and officials, which is like the son of the town mayor, who thinks he can get away with anything because of who his daddy his. I actually dislike him more than Ronaldo now, which is shocking.
If any english footballer did what Neymar does, he would be absolutely villified.
I think the better description is that it’s ok to be a bit of a ***t when the opposition are being the most despicable ***ts you’ve ever witnessed since Schumacher attempting murder on a pitch, and it’s the only way to call attention to it. The penalty spot thing was the most undignified and shameful thing I think I’ve seen a team do.
That’s my opinion anyway, not wanting to inflame a disagreement.
mpickard2087
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Whatever role it is, whether main or second striker, I just don't see the thinking in playing him centrally and where he's often going to be taking the ball back to goal or on the half turn and have greater responsibility in his touch/pass and choices that he makes. I don't blame him, it's others tasking him with this role, but he's made absolutely zero contribution so far in every facet.
I understand your points and they're well made.
But the problem when Vardy came on yesterday was that Kane dropped deeper, and whilst he worked his socks off, he became less of a goal threat from open play. And that is probably fatal for England's long term chances.
I also think that as well as thriving on the early ball over the top in a counterattack, which we are unlikely to get against Sweden, Vardy relies on a teammate with vision and technique to play him in. At Leicester, that player is Mahrez. At Spurs, it would be Eriksen. Who's going to play that ball for England? Henderson? Lingard? Dele? I would argue the player with the best delivery is Trippier, but he's playing at wingback.
The alternative scenario to replace Sterling would be Rashford, who could buzz around without requiring Harry to move deeper.
Or, move Dele up one, closer to Kane, and play RLC in the attack-minded midfield slot next to Lingard.
I really don't want Wellbeck anywhere near an England starting spot.
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Bollocks did he. He got nudged in the bottom of the chin, it was nothing like a head but, and it was nowhere near the area he ended up covering with both hands and nowhere near enough to knock him over.
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Just to add, in the same way that our ungiven penalties against Tunisia stirred the refs into focusing on holding in the box with VAR, it would be amazing if they took notice of the behaviour of certain (mainly South American) teams/players and really cracked down on diving. It’s really out of hand, and pathological in those teams, players and footballing culture. It’s meant to be a yellow, and all it needs is stopping the game, checking VAR and giving a yellow for every deliberate act of simulation that warrants it and we’d have the best thing to happen in football for decades.
mpickard2087
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Has Kane been any sort of goalscoring threat from open play this tournament in any case? It's not like he's been presented with loads of chances. I also think he was managing himself in extra time and had a slight knock so stood in the pocket. In any case, I don't mind him coming deeper if required, I'd trust him to pick a pass more than any of the others, and smash one in from 30 yards.....
Rashford and RLC are impact subs for me, they're 1 in 10 when it comes to making the right decision, however fleetingly exciting the wrong decisions look, and both to me demonstrate zero awareness and reading of the game, particularly in tight spaces.
I do though think getting Alli further forward has a lot of merit, but when you're selecting him and Lingard in the same team with only one holding midfielder he doesn't have as much freedom. Maybe you could select another midfielder (Dier/Delph) and have Alli + Lingard playing off of Kane, but that seems a bit negative against Sweden, maybe further down the line.......
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Yeah, like that dirty South American diver last night, Heraldo Maguirez
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As @yanno said, not much point in playing Vardy or Rashford against the deep lying swedes. Just pray that Alli stays fit, maybe go 2 in CM (Henderson and RLC ?) and have Alli and Sterling playing as 10's behind Kane, with both dropping in and helping the CM's out? And I'd keep Kane pushed up, let him rough up the CB's and offer some kind of focal point, instead of having him water carrying so much.
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The manager will get the plaudits for the result but the way he has set up the side is odd. It doesn’t play to anyone’s strengths in the center except for Lingard. Kane is completely isolated, Dele is isolated and underused and Sterling isn’t able to make his runs. When all else fails Maguire seems to be the go to guy because he can make those runs from defence. I’d have Dele switching with Sterling, Kane moving to traditional CF.
Rose showed in a few minutes how limited Young is as a wing back. He needs to use Danny on the left to give us better width. Henderson sits in front of the back 3 but seems to spend most of the game watching people pass around him. I can’t see Dier improving this much but he is more adept at slipping into a back 4 when the wing backs push forward. It kind of works for England but it’s ugly. It’s like the old zonal systems that people like Herrera used to use. You have players occupying zones and taking space away from the opposition when defending. However England are poor on transition when they win the ball. There isn’t a playmaker as such, just a group of players that pass to each other. As a result set pieces become the fulcrum and the only real opportunities to score.
It’s almost as if Southgate has nullified all the individual strengths of the team for the sake of the unified whole but in doing so the whole is still less than the sum of its individual parts. Yes it works but it’s football through attrition and ugly for the neutral spectator.
And that shows the limitations of England's options.
I agree that Kane can pick a pass. But he's still England's best finisher by a country mile. And, for reasons of pure pragmatism, I think he has to play up top.
I agree on your judgement of Rashford & RLC, but I'd rather have RLC in a midfield already containing the creatively limited Henderson than the equally creatively limited Delph or Dier.
The main virtue of Dele up top with Kane is that they have an understanding as club teammates, and Dele's goalscoring record is exceptional. Against a bus parking Swedish team, it may be a little flick or an unlucky bounce off a defender that produces an opportunity. But Harry and Dele have both shown that they're goalscorers, and one goal may be enough given Sweden's lack of attcking potency.
