World Cup Discussion Thread - Day 24 (7 July)

mmillerlight · Jul 7, 2018

ravenspurs said:
Nobody is going to bring up the fact that this entire Russian team is almost certainly doping? Get on it English media.

Is there a 39 year old Russian playing?

Shadydan · Jul 7, 2018

SdB said:
Against rubbish opposition

Don't be one of those guys.

We've come unstuck against 'rubbish opposition' before, something is clearly working.

dondo · Jul 7, 2018

absolute bobbins said:
If you focus on the good, you don’t fix the weakness.

Or you praise people on what they do good and work on what they don’t do well

Marty · Jul 7, 2018

mmillerlight said:
Is there a 39 year old Russian playing?

Ignashevich turns 39 in a week's time. And wasn't even in the squad before one of the assumed starting CB's was suddenly left out of the squad with an "injury".

teok · Jul 7, 2018

If you get the chance and have netflix. Watch a documentary called "icarus". In short, russian doping is state sponsored and they just don't give a fuck. They aren't even really ashamed of it or any thing.

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"When filmmaker Bryan Fogel sets out to uncover the truth about doping in sports, a chance meeting with a Russian scientist transforms his story from a personal experiment into a geopolitical thriller. Dirty urine, unexplained death and Olympic gold are all part of the exposure of the biggest scandal… "

dondo · Jul 7, 2018

Dharmabum said:
Congratulations with the semi-final you English lads.However, not wanting to spoil the party ...but the road to the semis have been amazingly easy - through Tunisia, Panama, Colombia and Sweden. I can name another 20 + teams who could have "managed" that
And even Russia or Croatia in the semi is a rather "over-comable" opponent compared to the other semi with Belgium & France.

Thanks for popping in

whitelanefever · Jul 7, 2018

Shadydan said:
Don't be one of those guys.

We've come unstuck against 'rubbish opposition' before, something is clearly working.

A team mentality..giving everything can take you a long way in international tournaments..no superstar egos..just 100% effort..

Ekmek · Jul 7, 2018

teok said:
If you get the chance and have netflix. Watch a documentary called "icarus". In short, russian doping is state sponsored and they just don't give a fuck. They aren't even really ashamed of it or any thing.

e-

"When filmmaker Bryan Fogel sets out to uncover the truth about doping in sports, a chance meeting with a Russian scientist transforms his story from a personal experiment into a geopolitical thriller. Dirty urine, unexplained death and Olympic gold are all part of the exposure of the biggest scandal… "

That one is really good

wirE · Jul 7, 2018

England won a dull game. Sweden did little to nothing going forward. Looked like they where jaded. Glad to see Alli score a goal and not being subbed because his injury came back

Shadydan · Jul 7, 2018

Dharmabum said:
Congratulations with the semi-final you English lads.However, not wanting to spoil the party ...but the road to the semis have been amazingly easy - through Tunisia, Panama, Colombia and Sweden. I can name another 20 + teams who could have "managed" that
And even Russia or Croatia in the semi is a rather "over-comable" opponent compared to the other semi with Belgium & France.

Iceland was meant to be easy, this is progression and strides from an England team that we never thought was possible so bore off and let us enjoy our moment.

rossdapep · Jul 7, 2018

Danny1 said:
Have to say that Sterling was utterly dreadful today, yet again. Yes he runs around, but he will cost us at some point down to the fact that he cannot score a goal. He is playing as a striker and has zero composure.

With the level of expectation as a factor I think he is the most disappointing player I’ve ever seen in an England shirt. He is somehow stopping better players from having their chance and is simply wrong.

Gareth Southgate, Pep Guardiola and Raymond Domenech disagree. As do I.

His composure in front of goal is infuriating but his movement caused them problems all game and no doubt allowed us to play on the front foot. I thought he was involved in a lot of our good attacking play and is a pivotal part of our attack.

Rashford may be a better finished but he doesn't bring to the game what Sterling does.

Nicked from F365 ---

Thankfully, Southgate gets it:

“In the last five or six games, with the change of system, he has been key. His movement, his ability to run at teams from deep, his inter-changing of position with the other forward players is very important.”

And Pep Guardiola gets it:

“Sometimes we judge him on ‘he missed that goal, he missed that shot,’ but the amount of actions he creates, assists, he creates fouls, penalties… His understanding of the game is global: he can create inside, outside, dribbling, runs in behind.”

Marty · Jul 7, 2018

rossdapep said:
Gareth Southgate, Pep Guardiola and Raymond Domenech disagree. As do I.

His composure in front of goal is infuriating but his movement caused them problems all game and no doubt allowed us to play on the front foot. I thought he was involved in a lot of our good attacking play and is a pivotal part of our attack.

Rashford may be a better finished but he doesn't bring to the game what Sterling does.

Nicked from F365 ---

Thankfully, Southgate gets it:

“In the last five or six games, with the change of system, he has been key. His movement, his ability to run at teams from deep, his inter-changing of position with the other forward players is very important.”
And Pep Guardiola gets it:

“Sometimes we judge him on ‘he missed that goal, he missed that shot,’ but the amount of actions he creates, assists, he creates fouls, penalties… His understanding of the game is global: he can create inside, outside, dribbling, runs in behind.”

I read that piece too, but unfortunately I am principally obliged to believe the exact opposite of anything Raymond Domenech says. Even if Southgate and Pep agree with him.

Shadydan · Jul 7, 2018

rossdapep said:
Gareth Southgate, Pep Guardiola and Raymond Domenech disagree. As do I.

His composure in front of goal is infuriating but his movement caused them problems all game and no doubt allowed us to play on the front foot. I thought he was involved in a lot of our good attacking play and is a pivotal part of our attack.

Rashford may be a better finished but he doesn't bring to the game what Sterling does.

Nicked from F365 ---

Thankfully, Southgate gets it:

“In the last five or six games, with the change of system, he has been key. His movement, his ability to run at teams from deep, his inter-changing of position with the other forward players is very important.”
And Pep Guardiola gets it:

“Sometimes we judge him on ‘he missed that goal, he missed that shot,’ but the amount of actions he creates, assists, he creates fouls, penalties… His understanding of the game is global: he can create inside, outside, dribbling, runs in behind.”

All good but Mike (45) from Barnsley said that he should be dropped so...

SdB · Jul 7, 2018

Shadydan said:
Don't be one of those guys.

We've come unstuck against 'rubbish opposition' before, something is clearly working.

Watching England is a painful experience and I just can't be doing with all the overexcited 'it's coming home' nonsense.
As I see it Sterling is fast but shit, he negates our best goalscorer and we then play Dele out of position rendering him less effective.

rossdapep said:
Gareth Southgate, Pep Guardiola and Raymond Domenech disagree. As do I.

His composure in front of goal is infuriating but his movement caused them problems all game and no doubt allowed us to play on the front foot. I thought he was involved in a lot of our good attacking play and is a pivotal part of our attack.

Rashford may be a better finished but he doesn't bring to the game what Sterling does.

Nicked from F365 ---

Thankfully, Southgate gets it:

“In the last five or six games, with the change of system, he has been key. His movement, his ability to run at teams from deep, his inter-changing of position with the other forward players is very important.”
And Pep Guardiola gets it:

“Sometimes we judge him on ‘he missed that goal, he missed that shot,’ but the amount of actions he creates, assists, he creates fouls, penalties… His understanding of the game is global: he can create inside, outside, dribbling, runs in behind.”

With respect Man City has quality and pace all over the pitch that puts chances on a plate for Sterling, which he more often than not misses.
Today we had Sterling absolutely awful, Kane limited, Lingard apart from running around a lot generally poor and Dele poor because he was playing far too deep.
If Sterling has to play stick him out wide and play someone like Dele up top so that he link with our best goalscorer

mattyspurs · Jul 7, 2018

SdB said:
Watching England is a painful experience and I just can't be doing with all the overexcited 'it's coming home' nonsense.
As I see it Sterling is fast but shit, he negates our best goalscorer and we then play Dele out of position rendering him less effective.

With respect Man City has quality and pace all over the pitch that puts chances on a plate for Sterling, which he more often than not misses.
Today we had Sterling absolutely awful, Kane limited, Lingard apart from running around a lot generally poor and Dele poor because he was playing far too deep.
If Sterling has to play stick him out wide and play someone like Dele up top so that he link with our best goalscorer

If it’s a painful experience watching a England then why do you bother?

I only watch Stoke when they play Spurs because I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than watch them

Streetspur77 · Jul 7, 2018

Dharmabum said:
Congratulations with the semi-final you English lads.However, not wanting to spoil the party ...but the road to the semis have been amazingly easy - through Tunisia, Panama, Colombia and Sweden. I can name another 20 + teams who could have "managed" that
And even Russia or Croatia in the semi is a rather "over-comable" opponent compared to the other semi with Belgium & France.

What’s your point?

rossdapep · Jul 7, 2018

SdB said:
Watching England is a painful experience and I just can't be doing with all the overexcited 'it's coming home' nonsense.
As I see it Sterling is fast but shit, he negates our best goalscorer and we then play Dele out of position rendering him less effective.

With respect Man City has quality and pace all over the pitch that puts chances on a plate for Sterling, which he more often than not misses.
Today we had Sterling absolutely awful, Kane limited, Lingard apart from running around a lot generally poor and Dele poor because he was playing far too deep.
If Sterling has to play stick him out wide and play someone like Dele up top so that he link with our best goalscorer

I don't think Sterling is as effective out wide. We've seen that in two tournaments now, that's why Southgate as followed Pep's use of him. Secondly, Alli is carrying an injury and may not stretch defences as well as Sterling.

His finishing is woeful but as things stand, it's working, and you would be mental to change that going forward. Perhaps it may need changing at some point during a game but you don't ditch something that's working

Dougal · Jul 7, 2018

Time to call our lads back now before the Russians start poisoning the opposition.

SdB · Jul 7, 2018

mattyspurs said:
If it’s a painful experience watching a England then why do you bother?

I only watch Stoke when they play Spurs because I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than watch them

I've only watched England in the World Cup proper. In my lifetime I can only remember 86 Semi vs Germany and Euro 96 vs Holland as games that I enjoyed watching. The similarities between England and Spurs at their frustrating worst are spooky.
Why anyone would pay money to watch friendlies and qualifiers is beyond me.

werty · Jul 7, 2018

Modric or Rakitic need to be moved further up the pitch.

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