Shadydan
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Player Watch: Kieran Trippier
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The crucial thing you are missing here is that Trippier exceeded walker's assists in about a third of the time on the pitch.
And the thing with Trippier is, it's not just about crossing, he's a much more intelligent footballer than Walker, he plays through balls, plays players in behind defenders, Walker just doesn't do that anywhere near as much. If you want, just name search my posts in this thread and Ive posted all the stats before, key passes, chances created etc etc. Trippier pisses it. In a team like us, the way we play, unless the Rb is a utter carthorse or making defensive errors every week, then it's that ability to be a midfielder/attacker than takes priority, because we use our FB's for the outside attacking capability.
Walker's pace and physicality has some defensive advantages over Trippier's, but it's about weighing up all the facets of each player, the way we play as a team, and figuring out who fits best, and Ive always said (or from the time Trippier started getting regular games) that for a team like us, his skill set is a better all round package than Walker's for us.
Before he got that regular run of games I was all for packing him off, once I saw what he could do, it was a no brainer for me, in the system we play.
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It is quite representative though is it not? If both players were for sale Trippier wouldn't come close to that 50million figure which means Walker is a better player right? As someone would be willing to pay more for his services. Both players coming from the same team, the same position its pretty easy to compare the valuations as representative. Just getting out ahead of that one before someone says well Eriksen cost 11 million and Pogba cost 100.Yep transfer value is definitely representative of a player's ability
Fucks sake
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Well looks like we're in the same boat then isn't it fella, what do you have to back up your opinions seeing as you're the one who made the original claim...?
Think you ought to watch some highlights of how Man City played last season and how Pep has historically set him teams up, you keep saying 'right back.' you're wrong..he doesn't play as a traditional right back for Man City unlike Trippier has done for Spurs he plays as an inverted full back, the same way in which Pep had setup Bayern Munich when he played Lahm and/or Alaba in there. Pep has referred to Walker's recovery Pace and physicality which is something that Trippier doesn't possess as much as Walker hence the reason City pursued Walker.
I've posted up a vid that actually explains his role as an inverted full back because I'm nice like that
So there's more too it than some playground Twitter argument of who's better, there's actually footballing reasons believe it or not as to why City wanted Walker and why he fits Pep's philosophy.
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Not really no, City were desperate for Walker, we didn't want to sale so the fee was pushed higher, transfer value doesn't even begin to tell the story of player's respective abilities...much much more too it than that.
Regardless I'm not here to compare the two and say who's better, I'm making a point about why City were willing to spend so much on him and the reason doesn't directly translate to Trippier's (lack of) footballing ability in comparison to Walker.
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No. Teams overpay all the time to get players, and lets not forget Levy is an absolute master of extracting more than a players worth Remember when Liverpool paid £35 mil for Andy Carroll? Was that because he was better than all the other strikers that were moving for less money? As I have said before a player is only worth what a team will sell him for and what another is willing to pay. It has no bearing on their ability compared to their peers whatsoever. City paid the price they did because money is no object and they had to pay the oil tax that every team adds on top.
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Would City have come breaking down the door and pay through the nose on Trippier? No they wouldn't have because he is the inferior player. Pep needed a fullback so he went out and got the best one in the league. Pep is the king of passing so why wouldn't he want Trippier if he is such a significantly better player with the ball at his feet? Pep has always played with two great fullbacks: Alba/Abidal and Dani Alves, Lahm and Alaba, and now Walker and Mendy. If he thought Trippier were the better player he would have gone and bought him.
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Because it's useful to have a variety of attacking approaches on the pitch at the same time. It forces the opposition to vary their defensive tactics during the match: they can't just set up a low block and nullify pace if there's also a player who can deliver a succession of accurate first-touch crosses. Playing (say) Trippier and Rose means they have to set up to deal with pace behind the defensive line and balls delivered from anywhere up and down the touchline.
Pace is important, but it isn't so that a fast player is per se better than a slower player. Trippier has better game vision than any of our fullbacks, current or recent, including Walker. He sees the space and has the touch and skill to deliver the ball into that space, not once, but repeatedly. As I posted earlier on this thread, it's very difficult for a defence to deal with a succession of threatening balls into the box. They can never relax, because Trippier so rarely blasts the ball over the players or hits the first man.
It isn't linearly representative of the player's quality, it's representative of the buying club's degree of need and the selling club's willingness to deal.
After his reputation-making World Cup and in the chronically overheated market for players, I doubt that Levy would have much difficulty flogging Trippier for over £40m. That would make your point about Walker's value moot in at least two ways.
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Trippier is miles ahead of Walker as a wingback
Walker is ahead of Trippier as a fullback.
We need to put Trippier in a position to succeed.
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@davidmatzdorf if someone offered us 40mil for Trippier we should bite their hand off. Fullbacks are not worth that much and Levy knows that and took advantage of it with Walker. Also that doesn't make my point moot as Walker still cost more?
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Eh, I liked Walker at wingback too for his ability to take on defenders and be everywhere on the right side of the pitch. He turned defense into attack consistently.
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No because he is not what Pep wanted. just look at all the full backs that Pep uses they are all athletes(and all much better than Walker) because that suits his style of football. It does not automatically equate to the fact Walker is better just because Pep thinks he is a better fit for his style of play.
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Pep isn't going to run out a player who is poor on the ball. How about the clubs who were interested in Walker vs. the clubs who have been interested in Trippier? Wasn't it just in January we were talking about potentially Trippier off to Leicester/Everton for playing time? Thats indicating of the difference in talent and ability of the two players in question. The best players attract the biggest clubs and the highest fees. If Trippier were that much better than Walker Chelsea, Man U and City would have come for him. Just like ManU tried with Rose and City succeeded with Walker. Dynamic fullbacks are such an asset to a team that teams have tried to steal our best ones.. not Davies and Trippier.
The world of football agrees with me and not you. Hence why Walker is 3 times PFA team of the season and Trippier has not been.
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Lol well that's great for the world of football but that is just opinion.
This all started because I said I prefer end product and technique over speed and athleticism, and that is why I would much rather have Trips, and that he is the better attacking option. I then posted all the stats that prove he gets more assists, creates a lot more chances and delivers far more key passes.
Those are facts, and whatever "the world of football thinks" they would have to be unequivocally stupid to argue that Walker is the better attacking player when those stats are in front of them.
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But Walker is a way better player than you're giving him credit for. We were simply a more dangerous team across the board IMO when Walker was in the team bombing down the field. Stats won't show his contributions in that regard though.
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Why how much credit am I actually giving him?
Not once have I said I think he is a bad player. I just think Trippier is better, and I have been saying that for 3-4 years., even before he came to us. See one thing you are forgetting when using Pep wanted Walker over Trips argument, is that Pep didn't need a creative full back because he has an abundance of creative players everywhere else. We don't at the moment so rely on getting a bit extra out of ours.
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Did Pep need Dani Alves added as a creative piece in his Barcelona team that had Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Messi? No but he did it anyways. Every fullback Pep has ever had he required that they be good on the ball and essentially be able to act as a midfielder in possession. Why would he stop doing that all the sudden just because he has De Bruyne and Silva? Trippier is better at crossing, thats it. He doesn't link as well in midfield, he can't beat a man off the dribble and he isn't as good of a defender.
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If by "link wel"l you mean pass sideways or backwards the I agree completely.
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I’ve never been Trippier’s biggest fan and did want us to sell him. But I got to admit that he’s been Englands best player and is in my Team of the tournament. But with that being said I think a lot of people are starting to overrate him and some are even calling him world class which he really isn’t. I just think that he fits England’s system much better than our system, he’s a good RWB but a average RB imo.
I wouldn’t mind us keeping him but I want us to make KWP first choice, he’s the best RB that fits our system imo. But I can’t see us selling Aurier after just one season + I think he will be much better this season so selling Trippier wouldn’t be a bad idea. He will never be worth more and we can spend the money we get from him on areas we need to improve on
I wouldn’t mind us keeping him but I want us to make KWP first choice, he’s the best RB that fits our system imo. But I can’t see us selling Aurier after just one season + I think he will be much better this season so selling Trippier wouldn’t be a bad idea. He will never be worth more and we can spend the money we get from him on areas we need to improve on
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