Shadydan
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Do you know who these teams bought?, the majority of those players are average and wouldn't get near our team.
Match Threads Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC
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Do you know who these teams bought?, the majority of those players are average and wouldn't get near our team.
Noddy Gorman.
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Does Poch Know what to do ? It seems you cannot question his tactics, his selections, or his Man Management Skills. There are at least 3 players who feel that their wages are on the low side, you can see it in their body language , whereas Poch has been well looked after in that respect. Theres the rub.
rossdapep
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I'd go one further and say they lack inspiration and desire. Not because they don't want to win but when you've been trying to achieve something as a group over the course of three seasons without success it will eventually lead to burn out and having to dig even deeper than you ever have before. The toll and weight does add up, think about anytime in your life where you keep fighting for something only for external influences to constantly get in the way (money clubs constantly improving, lack of investment, players leaving or wanting to leave), it can start to feel like a chore and it does inevitably get harder. What helps to give that desire and inspiration a boost is ultimately fresh ideas and new approaches, in footballing terms...investment in the squad.
There is a lot of truth in the phrase but the main issue I have with the "you don't necessarily need to buy to improve" is that when you've got Dembele (can't reach peak performance week in week out), Wanyama (unsure if he'll reach pre-injury form), Alderweireld (not committed) and Vertonghen (reaching those peak years), plus a bunch of players returning on the back of a long summer, you generally have loads of tools that actually can't be improved upon with coaching, only replacing. Considering some of these players have been integral to our form over the last few years it is incredibly short-sighted.
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I didn't argue Poch didn't get his transfer targets but that doesn't excuse changing tactics 3 times during warm up and first half. If there was a game plan then it wouldn't need to change so many times.
The better team won, I have no issue with that but at the same time I also have a right to say Poch got it wrong. I don't begrudge the team selection, he knows better. My issue is Poch was fcuking about with the tactics and got it wrong. More importantly he was very lucky that Liverpool didn't even fire on all cylinders.
Our record against top 4 away is awful hence it was such a big talking point last season. Home is good, but no way Liverpool should be spanking is like they did yesterday. They should have scored way more.
rossdapep
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Exactly this, I'm afraid to say. You only really get 3-4 years of peak performances from collectives before they need some steady overhaul/replacing.
Most of us sat here at around May time and realised this, stating that we need investment in CM and perhaps another attacking player. It would have seen us transition into the next phase without necessarily stagnating or falling behind.
I'm not happy to accept it's hard to identify or sign players. Scouting is a multi-million pound industry and the resources are of such high quality it's simply unacceptable to not have identified and then brought in a target or two. Levy is dicing in what should be a glory era for the club. Typical.
Noddy Gorman.
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Ferguson knew what he was doing, Poch thinks he knows what he is doing. But he is just making it up as he goes along, and a few chickens are coming Home to roost.
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No issue with players 'feeling' disheartened with circumstance and (non)happening of things around them, but they still have a job to do. Some of them who perhaps are looking for or feel deserving of more have two choices, down tools and sack it off, or rise above it and stand out from what has been some pretty average performances from a lot of senior first team members.
shelfboy68
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Mate we are hardly a club of winners we are not city,Barca or Madrid where the search to stay in front might get harder we are spurs a club that punches above it's weight and constantly wins fuck all we could of brought people in if we were prepared to which clearly we wasn't prepared to kick on.
That of course is the club's perogative not to buy but when the club wants to charge the most expensive tickets in the country which they will do for Wi-Fi and cheese rooms which don't cut it when you have average fayre served up.
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I don't think you have to use the wi-fi or eat cheese from the cheese room if you don't want to. Same with paying the ticket prices.
Fucking hell I am tired of reading this shit.
Once you make a choice and stop putting your hand in your pocket, then you'll (they'll) have a leg to stand on.
Dannyspur
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I thought the disallowed goal at the start would be the kick up the arse that the team needed to get going, but we only slowly built up a head of steam. For the 15 mins before their goal we were playing quite well and pushing the play back to their end. Then the stupid header from Eriksen that led to the corner and Vorm's flappy punch gifted them the goal. Then followed a litany of unforced errors (and I don't think it was 'Barcapool' pressing or being that brilliant) gave them back the initiative. we aren't behind them, in terms of skill we just played shit on the day with no tempo or passion to our game apart from Moura, Lamela and to a certain extent Winksy although he faded as the game went on. Constant slow passing across the back does my head in, it just allows teams to re-group ready for us to try to attack through two neat rows of 5 midfielders and 5 defenders.
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A great post and fantastic analytical breakdown of the events of early Saturday afternoon. I just wish you were posting how pleased you were with tactical decisions made and the manner of our win. I normally try to stay as positive as possible and get right behind the team but there are some shocking decisions being made. Harry Kane is not right and should be rested, I'm hesitant to use the word dropped just because he is such a special player. I wish Pochettino would give Érik Lamela, Lucas Moura and Son Heung-min as a front three. The full-backs have now also become a problem with Danny Rose looking like a liability. I'll probably get hammered for this but I would be tempted to shift Jan Vertonghen out to left-back and play Alderweireld and Sánchez in a back two partnership. For the first time ever I'm actually considering not travelling over for the Barcelona game. I'm not 100% well and the travel from Belfast is very stressful but I'm probably only thinking like that because of the abject showing against Liverpool.
Shadydan
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Right ok...I get all that but that doesn't address the fact that those teams bought average players, they bought those players because they needed to strengthen their first teams, bar Seri (but we know why most top teams stayed away from him) I don't see how any of those players would provide an upgrade on what we already have.
What you want the club to do is buy for the sake of buying just because everyone else is but you fail to realise that other clubs had to buy because hey had significant holes in their squads and in particular their first teams. You're moaning about average yet you want us to go out ad buy average players, that's doesn't make any sense?
I admit that it would have been far better to get a couple of players in rather than not buy at all but I just don't think that the quality that we're after was there and we would have had to gamble on players who aren't necessarily the finished articles at high prices (see Ndombele)
DJS
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I think in addition to not strengthening we are suffering as result of too many players tired from World Cup.
If you look at Chelsea they were able to keep Hazard on bench for first two (or three?) games, but we just put Kane straight back in and here’s been nowhere near as effective.
Hopefully we’ll settle down soon and get midfielders back and best scenario would be Skipp comes in and partners Winks in a well-balanced midfield engine that allows our attacking players to play to their best.
If you look at Chelsea they were able to keep Hazard on bench for first two (or three?) games, but we just put Kane straight back in and here’s been nowhere near as effective.
Hopefully we’ll settle down soon and get midfielders back and best scenario would be Skipp comes in and partners Winks in a well-balanced midfield engine that allows our attacking players to play to their best.
I'll wait my turn.
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Son-Eriksen-Lamela is such a great attacking group.
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You're taking a HITC article as gospel? That's like believing we had 150M (minimum) burning a hole in our pockets. That number is so off the mark and Aulas is no joker. He will get is fair price but it is always fair. Look at all his major dealings. That 53M number was for Fekir to Liverpool deal. Don't know where the wires got crossed on that one. Numbers reported for NDombele, who they didn't even 'own' until halfway through the TW, was always in the 30-40 range which would have still been a punt. But at least it would have been stretching on a player with something to back it up a la Sanchez. But focusing on NDombele using a questionably researched article from a known rag doesn't shoot down my argument.
Mahrez and Kante vs N'Jie and N'Koudou. Well you make a salient point here but it is not the one you intended. Both mahrez and Kante were scouted and transferred from Ligue 2 and not Ligue 1. That point does a few things in that it doesn't support the continued shade thrown on Ligue 1 and it damns our scouting network, such as it is. If Ligue 1 is so shitty then how does 2 French 2nd division players lead Leicester to the big prize over our wonderboys from the PL? I can only assume that English players are some of the shittiest players in the PL so we shouldn't recruit from English teams. For every Kane and Dele (I said Dele
) there is a Noble or Henderson. See? Perhaps we should only recruit from 'proven' leagues like Ligue 2.
I was fine with Njie coming as a pace option though I knew there were better, even at his own club. I was dubious over the Nkoudou links as I had watched him (and Mendy and Nicholas NKoulou to which we were linked) for a full year at marseille as i was checking out Batshuayi. I laughed at the NKoudou and Mendy double swoops reports for 25M as i didn't think they were worth it.
For the prices issue from the clubs I posted few play silly buggers that way. Lyon names their price for all comers, player from Germany are notoriously cheap and we have previous with Leverkusen, Bissouma moved to the PL for 15M, and Betis don't have the dough to hold out.
And all of this wasn't the point of my reply. You said name some players available for this TW just past. I think I did that. And I went further and named players for reasonable prices that did move or were clearly available. Beyond that most of my names would have addressed our team deficiencies unlike the bullshit spit about Zaha and Martial, two players we did not need, for positions that Poch is reluctant to rotate or give him selection headaches he'd rather not have.
Do you think we will buy in the transfer window?You're taking a HITC article as gospel? That's like believing we had 150M (minimum) burning a hole in our pockets. That number is so off the mark and Aulas is no joker. He will get is fair price but it is always fair. Look at all his major dealings. That 53M number was for Fekir to Liverpool deal. Don't know where the wires got crossed on that one. Numbers reported for NDombele, who they didn't even 'own' until halfway through the TW, was always in the 30-40 range which would have still been a punt. But at least it would have been stretching on a player with something to back it up a la Sanchez. But focusing on NDombele using a questionably researched article from a known rag doesn't shoot down my argument.
Mahrez and Kante vs N'Jie and N'Koudou. Well you make a salient point here but it is not the one you intended. Both mahrez and Kante were scouted and transferred from Ligue 2 and not Ligue 1. That point does a few things in that it doesn't support the continued shade thrown on Ligue 1 and it damns our scouting network, such as it is. If Ligue 1 is so shitty then how does 2 French 2nd division players lead Leicester to the big prize over our wonderboys from the PL? I can only assume that English players are some of the shittiest players in the PL so we shouldn't recruit from English teams. For every Kane and Dele (I said Dele
I was fine with Njie coming as a pace option though I knew there were better, even at his own club. I was dubious over the Nkoudou links as I had watched him (and Mendy and Nicholas NKoulou to which we were linked) for a full year at marseille as i was checking out Batshuayi. I laughed at the NKoudou and Mendy double swoops reports for 25M as i didn't think they were worth it.
For the prices issue from the clubs I posted few play silly buggers that way. Lyon names their price for all comers, player from Germany are notoriously cheap and we have previous with Leverkusen, Bissouma moved to the PL for 15M, and Betis don't have the dough to hold out.
And all of this wasn't the point of my reply. You said name some players available for this TW just past. I think I did that. And I went further and named players for reasonable prices that did move or were clearly available. Beyond that most of my names would have addressed our team deficiencies unlike the bullshit spit about Zaha and Martial, two players we did not need, for positions that Poch is reluctant to rotate or give him selection headaches he'd rather not have.
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Fabian Ruiz who went to Napoli would have been a good shout as well.
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In Jan? No, I don't believe we will. I believe we could (not financially as I have no way of knowing). There are a few players on questionable contractual circumstances that could help but in the long term I am not sure that is the best route. First off we need to make some real hard choices and get rid of some players. And Poch has to show the balls that he expects from the players and get rid of some of his favorites because they are causing roster issues ie home grown.
If there was truly money and a desire to recruit during the TW then we needed to bite the bullet on some of the players' contracts and take what was offered in order to open up team places. We heard the PR bullshit at the end of the window but I was mentioning it during the Kyle Walker transfer. It was an impending issue that needed attention. And if we intended to bring anyone in then that shit should have been done immediately following the last season. We hedge on that so I don't believe there was ever any intention on bringing anyone in this window.
So long story short I feel the best time to rejig the team is in the summer and we need a full rejig since we haven't taken the incremental steps necessary in the past few windows.
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