The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Primativ · Dec 28, 2018

Saoirse said:
I'm not. It's just that if we don't do it now, we have to do that in the summer anyway, unless Toby is willing to agree a new deal. You're not avoiding those problems, you're investing a lot of money to delay them for half a season.

The big difference is we get to keep Toby until the end of the season and he helps us meet our seasonal goals. Because there is no doubt whatsoever we are more likely to win Titles if we keep Toby and we are LESS likely to win titles if we sell Toby in January.

The summer is a different story. Replacements are more available. Sanchez and Foyth have 6 months more experience. We aren’t in the midst of a title challenge and CL campaign. Poch can prepare tactics, have preseason with the team knowing he won’t have Toby and can plan accordingly.

I have no idea why this is even a debate. Toby is going nowhere in January. The notion even being floated by some in here is utterly preposterous.

vegassd · Dec 28, 2018

Saoirse said:
The logic is pretty different. As a buying club, the attraction of these early deals is that you can get in before anybody else. If you wait till summer, Toby probably has offers from 4-5 different teams, and can use that to drive up his wage demands. Right now none of those are guarenteed, the team willing to buy him now is the safe option, plus he can start a contract with them immediately and earn an extra ~100k per week for the next six months, which is equivalent to an extra £16.5k per week over a three-year deal, so he has a decent incentive to sign for them whereas he may choose to go elsewhere in the summer. Depending on who the buying club is, it might also be able to offer him a better chance of trophies this season, again incentivising an early move, and/or have near-infinite money which means the extra £25m transfer fee for the chance of trophies is a better option for them.

I think your argument here is based on two rather fanciful hypotheticals... first that a team will offer 50m in January and secondly that Toby is too stupid to realise the position he is in regarding wage negotiations. I disagree with both concepts personally.

But this is not a thread about Toby it's a thread about Poch.

mattyspurs · Dec 28, 2018

You do all realise that there is a Toby thread...right?

Saoirse · Dec 28, 2018

Primativ said:
The big difference is we get to keep Toby until the end of the season and he helps us meet our seasonal goals. Because there is no doubt whatsoever we are more likely to win Titles if we keep Toby and we are LESS likely to win titles if we sell Toby in January.

The summer is a different story. Replacements are more available. Sanchez and Foyth have 6 months more experience. We aren’t in the midst of a title challenge and CL campaign. Poch can prepare tactics, have preseason with the team knowing he won’t have Toby and can plan accordingly.

I have no idea why this is even a debate. Toby is going nowhere in January. The notion even being floated by some in here is utterly preposterous.

I'm fully agreed you get a better chance of winning something this season if you keep him. But then you're buying a replacement in the summer rather than giving him this half-season to bed in if you can buy in January, and you have £25m less to do so. I think you end up doing much more harm to our chances of winning major trophies in 19/20 and 20/21 than you help them in 18/19.

The good news is that the next few weeks will give us a good indication of how the rest of the season may go. If we keep up our form and Liverpool drop points, then maybe it makes sense to keep him regardless. If Liverpool win against Arsenal and City while we don't beat United, we're 8+points off top, with a far worse goal difference, still having to go to Anfield and the Etihad, and Liverpool have played two very tough games from the second half of the season already - in other words, the title is pretty much dead, the CL is realistically very unlikely anyway, and for me it makes sense to sell even at £40m.

Saoirse · Dec 28, 2018

vegassd said:
I think your argument here is based on two rather fanciful hypotheticals... first that a team will offer 50m in January and secondly that Toby is too stupid to realise the position he is in regarding wage negotiations. I disagree with both concepts personally.

But this is not a thread about Toby it's a thread about Poch.

No, I just said that if somebody offers £45m-£50m we should probably take it, not that they definitely will. And I don't think Toby's stupid, but at his age in particular the security has a strong value - if he turns down a Jan move and gets a bad injury, his chances of a move with big money and major trophies likely are gone forever. If it does happen, the narrative will inevitably be "Levy is useless and has betrayed Poch", when I can see a strong possibily Poch being the pragmatist he is would agree with it.

Lighty64 · Dec 28, 2018

spids said:
This is classic ‘take a post out of context’ message board posting. Of course we have offered Toby a new contract. I’m saying that we need to make him a better offer. I’m worried Levy will get an offer for Toby this window that means he’ll sell him now, derailing our title bid, and reinforcing the notion that Poch should leave if he ever wants to win anything.
I personally have no problem with Toby leaving for £25M in the summer if his clause gets activated as that’s what we signed up to and everyone has known for ages. Plus we have Verts, Sanchez and Foyth. But selling in January would be a massive mistake. At the same time, I do not see how Levy could turn down say £40m now for him as it’s a great price for a 32 year old player who can leave for £25m in July, plus we clearly have books to balance regarding the stadium.
If we sell Toby in Jan and Liverpool win the title an observation that many journalists and pundits will make is how Liverpool went big on VVD and we sold Toby when we should have been investing. And I can see Poch thinking that this project has run it’s course.

Toby is 29 years old

if we sold Toby for 40m it would only be if Poch agreed to it

he was offered a better contract, then his old man came back asking for an extra 40k a week, Poch felt stabbed in the back after originally getting him the much improved contract. if the club was to bow to his demands then every player will be asking for an extra 40k+ a week, and they would deserve it as much as Toby

BringBack_leGin · Dec 28, 2018

I love the fact that, IF Toby were to be sold this January, it would quite clearly be a Pochettino decision, yet the knives are already sharpening for Levy.

I don’t expect Toby to leave until summer, but this summer I expect him to be off.

danielneeds · Dec 28, 2018

Dillspur said:
If we get a semi decent offer for toby from a foriegn club in January, we have to take it. We're can't lose him for 25m to a direct competitor, could you imagine if he rocked up at Pool or the chavs

It really doesn’t matter where he rocks up next. We’re fighting on multiple fronts for silverware and he’s been the leader of our defence this season. To sell him now would be kamikaze.

£25m for a 30-year-old with a history of hamstring injuries ain’t that bad anyway. We maybe lose £20m on market price, but it’s hardly a catastrophe.

BehindEnemyLines · Dec 28, 2018

Neil Warnock telling Poch to forget about loyalty if Utd come calling........what.....a....****! What the fudge would he ever know about loyalty?

I remember when Poch first came to Spurs and he refused to do any interviews as, 1. he knew if his English wasn't perfect then he'd be deliberately misinterpreted, and 2. that the British press are all ****s! As such, his lack of media presence around the Utd issue doesn't surprise me one bit - why say anything when the press will all interpret it how they want to?
My wife does the same - she hears what she thinks she wants to hear and not what is actually said, and then goes off on one!

ardiles · Dec 28, 2018

Activating the one year extension also gives the club additional time to coax Toby into signing a new contract. Who knows, but if we do win some silverware this season (we are still in 4 comps), Toby might change his mind and possibly accept a deal that is lower that what he had last requested.

If we sell him next month, that opportunity is lost.

Blackrat1299 · Dec 28, 2018

Gb160 said:
These articles aren't even close to 'Mauricio Pochettino wants Tottenham fans to be more like Liverpool' that you posted lol.

I couldn't find the original, not a very good excuse. But thanks for the LOL, better than a doh!

piedpiper · Dec 28, 2018

Blackrat1299 said:
I couldn't find the original, not a very good excuse. But thanks for the LOL, better than a doh!

It's in the transfer rumours thread. Perhaps a mod can clean this up and we finish the discussion in there.

easley91 · Dec 28, 2018

So now the elite manager that is Neil Warnock has had his say on Poch to United. Saying Poch should forget about loyalty to Spurs and go to United. Oh and apparently he got offered a job by Chelsea! :ROFLMAO:

Gedi · Dec 28, 2018

To be fair he doesn’t actually say Poch should go to United, he even goes on to say the grass isn’t always greener.

And the Chelsea offer he refers to is probably true too. He’s talking about 25 years ago.

Steffen · Dec 28, 2018

BehindEnemyLines said:
Neil Warnock telling Poch to forget about loyalty if Utd come calling........what.....a....****! What the fudge would he ever know about loyalty?

I remember when Poch first came to Spurs and he refused to do any interviews as, 1. he knew if his English wasn't perfect then he'd be deliberately misinterpreted, and 2. that the British press are all ****s! As such, his lack of media presence around the Utd issue doesn't surprise me one bit - why say anything when the press will all interpret it how they want to?
My wife does the same - she hears what she thinks she wants to hear and not what is actually said, and then goes off on one!

Did you read the article, or just the headline? He says that Poch should forget about loyalty, as he could be sacked in a year - a club would never show any loyalty to him if the results start to deteriorate. He says that Poch rather should do what he feels is best for himself, and maybe that is staying at Spurs - as 'the grass isn't always greener'.

As an example he mentions himself when he was at Notts County. He was offered a job at Chelsea, but chose to stay at Notts. Half a year later he was sacked.
So, maybe you and your wife are alike :LOL:

BehindEnemyLines · Dec 28, 2018

Steffen said:
Did you read the article, or just the headline? He says that Poch should forget about loyalty, as he could be sacked in a year - a club would never show any loyalty to him if the results start to deteriorate. He says that Poch rather should do what he feels is best for himself, and maybe that is staying at Spurs - as 'the grass isn't always greener'.

As an example he mentions himself when he was at Notts County. He was offered a job at Chelsea, but chose to stay at Notts. Half a year later he was sacked.
So, maybe you and your wife are alike

Actually, I watched it on Sky..........but he's a **** and I'll interpret what he says how I want to!

Lilbaz · Dec 28, 2018

BehindEnemyLines said:
Neil Warnock telling Poch to forget about loyalty if Utd come calling........what.....a....****! What the fudge would he ever know about loyalty?

I remember when Poch first came to Spurs and he refused to do any interviews as, 1. he knew if his English wasn't perfect then he'd be deliberately misinterpreted, and 2. that the British press are all ****s! As such, his lack of media presence around the Utd issue doesn't surprise me one bit - why say anything when the press will all interpret it how they want to?
My wife does the same - she hears what she thinks she wants to hear and not what is actually said, and then goes off on one!

Did you read more than the headline? He gave good reasons for staying at spurs.

Dillspur · Dec 28, 2018

danielneeds said:
It really doesn’t matter where he rocks up next. We’re fighting on multiple fronts for silverware and he’s been the leader of our defence this season. To sell him now would be kamikaze.

£25m for a 30-year-old with a history of hamstring injuries ain’t that bad anyway. We maybe lose £20m on market price, but it’s hardly a catastrophe.

Yeah I've been thinking about this since I posted that. If we keep him and if we win the league he may decide to sign, I prefer that than selling in January

stormfly · Dec 28, 2018

Keep Toby until the summer then he can leave with the manager and all our star players at the same time! As about 15 of our players and our manager need to go to a bigger club to win things! I love media logic.

Shadydan · Dec 28, 2018

easley91 said:
So now the elite manager that is Neil Warnock has had his say on Poch to United. Saying Poch should forget about loyalty to Spurs and go to United. Oh and apparently he got offered a job by Chelsea!

Cheers mate nicely translated

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