The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

mpickard2087 said:

I never said he should have a guaranteed spot. But every youngster is different, some will jump through as many hoops as you set them whilst some need the carrot dangled in front of them to get a response. In some cases, and I think with a player like Edwards whose style/skillset/talent and personality this applies, you might need to dangle a bigger carrot than you'd like to.

As far as I'm aware he never really trained with the first team squad for any prolonged period of time, bar making up the numbers on depleted pre-season tours etc. In my opinion that was the best place for him, in amongst the senior players would be a challenge/eye opener because of the step up in quality, compared to being used to being the most talented in his age group teams, and also he'd be forced to get fitter and work harder and adhere to rules/standards - and Poch would be best to oversee that and iron out the flaws than any of our revolving door of academy coaches. If he didn't show any desire to improve then fair enough, bin him.

I also think with a player like that, any first team involvement should then have been drip fed. 5 - 10 minutes off the bench and taken very slowly. He's a kid who physically was not ready, and mentally struggles outside his bubble and is hard to read and break through. Carting him off on loans and expecting him to play match after match wasn't sensible. Some will think that's just making excuses for him, and like any academy player I have no idea whether he'd ultimately make it or not with another approach or doing things any differently, but I just don't think the decisions made were the best path for his Spurs development and career.

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beats1 said:

Have you got examples of this?

Otherwise players like Bostock, Taarabt, Cebellos and etc. would have made it long ago.

Someone like Livermore who wasn't the least talented CM in his age group made it through hard work and dedication despite being SHITE on loan

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beats1 said:

Screwed up his own chances, how about players aren't actually reaching their potential with the exception of Skipp, most of those academy players came through a different coaching regime. Cant count preseason as part of the first team squad.

Scholars haven't been improving year on year, of course you can live with your head in the sand but its little wonder with an academy that pretty much has new coaches every for the different age groups has suffered from their players stagnating.

The point of the academy isn't to make their first team ready, that's the goal but the point is to make them reach their potential. However I dont see us producing players for the football league. We are producing players to join poorer academies in the football league and go in to obscurity.

Chelsea as an academy is thriving whilst their progression to their first team is disgusting though improving. We are the opposite. We potentially have players more involved with the first team but our academy players aren't showing big improvement.

Also saying Parrott is on the verge of the squad is laughable. What is this based on? Tweets? He hasn't exactly excelled at youth level but looks a great prospect. This attitude is exactly why england isn't producing homegrown talent. As soon as a player isn't doing well, its because he's a bad egg whilst a player doing well is because he is a good egg. Academies in this countries dont objectively assess their own performance or look to ways to improve added with the money in the PL, there isn't a hunger to address this either as there's this belief this is as good as it gets.

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coys200 said:

Parrott is the only other striker on the tour, he went on CL trips last season. So yeah I’d say he is on the verge on the squad. He’s the only 17 year old that’s been taken, he’s the only thing Irish youth watchers are talking about. And I doubt anyone would argue he’s currently our no 1 prospect.
You also can’t compare us to Chelsea they are probably 5-10 years ahead of us in their youth development. They were obviously cleaning up the majority of the talent 5-10 years ago. But now we are just as an attractive prospect to parents.
On average we produce 1 youth player a year into the senior squad. I’m not sure you can ask for much more. Obviously many fall by the wayside but I’d maintain that’s because of their attitudes. Kane winks Skipp show under Pochettino how important hard work and attitude is.

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coys200 said:

Parrott is the only other striker on the tour, he went on CL trips last season. So yeah I’d say he is on the verge on the squad. He’s the only 17 year old that’s been taken, he’s the only thing Irish youth watchers are talking about. And I doubt anyone would argue he’s currently our no 1 prospect.
You also can’t compare us to Chelsea they are probably 5-10 years ahead of us in their youth development. They were obviously cleaning up the majority of the talent 5-10 years ago. But now we are just as an attractive prospect to parents.
On average we produce 1 youth player a year into the senior squad. I’m not sure you can ask for much more. Obviously many fall by the wayside but I’d maintain that’s because of their attitudes. Kane winks Skipp show under Pochettino how important hard work and attitude is.

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Lilbaz said:

We are not as attractive as chelsea. What was it the other day they signed 9 england u16's to their academy or something stupid?

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Blake Griffin said:

white is also 17.

you seem to have a very low threshold for defining what being in the squad means. i still consider kwp to be "on the verge", to me he's still not yet a proper squad member but he's a couple of steps closer than what parrott is currently(though he could progress quickly). i don't know where you're getting this one youth player a year thing either, we might bring one new academy player in to shadow the 1st team squad each year but the only one that has established himself in pochettino's five years is winks.

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coys200 said:

Yes but some have those may have actually joined 5-10 years ago they haven’t just rocked up this year.

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coys200 said:

KWP is in the squad is not really a debate. Is he in the 1st xi no but he’s definitely in the squad. Skipp currently isn’t and is shadowing. But since Pochettino has been here it’s pretty much 1 a season I’m not really how you can debate that.

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agrdavidsfan said:

Swansea are apparently talking to the club with regards to come players but they are doing this also with

Chelsea & Everton apparently.

Was told Eyoma was nailed on but seems to have gone quiet on that front.

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coys200 said:

What do we think is the situation with Georgiou ? 22 now yet still here and still making the tour. Seems like Pochettino is being pretty ruthless but yet Georgiou is still hanging in there.

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pelayo59 said:

Is Brooklyn Lyons-Foster would be our Saliba?

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beats1 said:

Also saying Parrott is on the verge of the squad is laughable. What is this based on? Tweets? He hasn't exactly excelled at youth level but looks a great prospect. .

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danielneeds said:

I honestly think Poch and McDermott, whilst not perfect, have got the ethos of the club absolutely spot on, and I wouldn’t make exceptions for kids no matter how talented.

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agrdavidsfan said:

Swansea are apparently talking to the club with regards to come players but they are doing this also with

Chelsea & Everton apparently.

Was told Eyoma was nailed on but seems to have gone quiet on that front.

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Blake Griffin said:

i really like blf but he's about three stone away from being first team ready, will be a good experience for him though and at least he has ability and isn't just being taken because he's a good lad.

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mpickard2087 said:

I never said he should have a guaranteed spot. But every youngster is different, some will jump through as many hoops as you set them whilst some need the carrot dangled in front of them to get a response. In some cases, and I think with a player like Edwards whose style/skillset/talent and personality this applies, you might need to dangle a bigger carrot than you'd like to.

As far as I'm aware he never really trained with the first team squad for any prolonged period of time, bar making up the numbers on depleted pre-season tours etc. In my opinion that was the best place for him, in amongst the senior players would be a challenge/eye opener because of the step up in quality, compared to being used to being the most talented in his age group teams, and also he'd be forced to get fitter and work harder and adhere to rules/standards - and Poch would be best to oversee that and iron out the flaws than any of our revolving door of academy coaches. If he didn't show any desire to improve then fair enough, bin him.

I also think with a player like that, any first team involvement should then have been drip fed. 5 - 10 minutes off the bench and taken very slowly. He's a kid who physically was not ready, and mentally struggles outside his bubble and is hard to read and break through. Carting him off on loans and expecting him to play match after match wasn't sensible. Some will think that's just making excuses for him, and like any academy player I have no idea whether he'd ultimately make it or not with another approach or doing things any differently, but I just don't think the decisions made were the best path for his Spurs development and career.

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Lilbaz said:

Where's that come from?

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