Juande_Ramos
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You tell me who were.
*** SPURS v BIRMINGHAM *** Official Match Thread
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You tell me who were.
lukespurs7
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yea cheers mate, i just really can't believe this, our bad luck is just beyond belief lately it really is and it's getting hard to take now i'm pretty fed up of it. Was so looking forward to our game earlier today thinking home to birmingham may be tricky with a new manager for them but neverthe less we've got the quality to get 3 points and bang, we're on our way up the table to mabye salvage a UEFA cup spot, 7th or something but no we get screwed over by a wanker of a ref and then yet one more screamer flys past robbo-unreal!
the sooner our luck changes the better, this is beyond beliefe now!
SpurSince57
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Unfortunately, no-one has much knowledge of whether Juande is 'better' than Martin or not. You simply can't make that kind of categorical statement. They have different approaches.
How can you say that most of the teams in the Premiership are 'rubbish'? Actually, you seem to have latched on to typical Spurs-supporter-speak very quickly.
How can you say that most of the teams in the Premiership are 'rubbish'? Actually, you seem to have latched on to typical Spurs-supporter-speak very quickly.
lukespurs7
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LOL!
This season is probably the highes quality the premiership has ever been! Just take everton for example, beat us at WHL and are doing brilliantly in the league, got a draw away to PORTSMOUTH a very hard place to go but yet they've moved down to 9th! the top9 teams are all of fantastic quality:
Arsenal,Man.U,Liverpool,Chelsea,Man.City!,A.Villa,Blackburn,Everton, Portsmouth and even west ham and newcastle when they get their act together all have good or decent squads, all on their day espeically at the moment have a very good chance of beating us and all who will finish above us this season IMO. Next season we will need to step it up a gear to even get say 5th again because credit to Man.City,Everton,Blackburn and Villa they've all improved greatly, all come along way in just 1 season and are all now top class teams.
to say this league is rubbish is idiotic. There are a few poor teams in the bottom half i.e Derby,Birmingham,Sunderland,Boro,Wigan but there are many many good teams and if you include us with those other 9 that makes 10 teams who on their day at home could give pretty much any team in the world a run for their money.
just my opinion.
Juande_Ramos
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The only worry to get fith place is City, who at last have a very good manager and deep pockets. Blackburn, Portsmouth, Villa, Everton are trained by just decent coaches, not great ones. They will never achieve great things with that limited style of football. Juande Ramos is in another league, and Jol too .
.Juande_Ramos
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You are correct, but the Premiership has never been a league with great depth and now it is starting to improve.(another thing was the old English League). Look at the number of points Chelsea won under Mourinho, or last year United or this year Arsenal.
SpurSince57
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Outside the 'Big Four' Newcastle certainly had a better squad, and Blackburn and Bolton were probably as good. Taking it player-for-player, Everton, Villa and Middlesbrough were pretty much on a par overall. We were certainly not 'easily' the 'best of the rest'.
Perhaps I should point out that, but for two hugely dubious refereeing decisions in the first leg and two pieces of kamikaze defending in the second we might not be having this discussion. An 'unfit' Spurs side under a 'tactically inept' manager had fully 50% of a tie which might have taken place in the frozen wastes of the Ukraine had a keeper's injury-time header not taken a game to extra-time and a penalty shoot-out.
TheChosenOne
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No probs- I was fecking livid too !
TheChosenOne
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By the same token all three goals scored by Arsenal against us last season at Highbury in December were results of dodgy decisions prior to the ball hitting the back of the net.
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Who are you quoting when saying "tactically inept" cause I certainly didn't say so. Unfit certainly were compared to how they are going to be in a few months.
And sorry but those teams you mentioned are uncapable of playing the way Spurs can play. Finishing behind any of those I would consider it a failure.
joey55
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What makes you say this? It's such unfounded bullshit that our team is unfit. I remember we played Seville twice last season and on both occassions we finished by far the strongest. In the second leg we were first to pretty much everything in that last 15 mins. How on earth did we manage it against a team that was so much fitter? I watched the last 15 minutes of our game against Villa yesterday and I think in the morning i'll splitt it into 5 3 minute chunks and post it on Youtube so people can see for themselves what utter nonsense all this crap about us not being fit is and hopefully we don't have to hear anymore about it. In this day and age, anyone who thinks that our players indiviudal fitness isn't measured by continual blood tests, heart rate monitors and computer data, is quite frankly insane. I seriously think some people believe fitness is still carried out by the head coach with a whistle and clip board. It's time people woke up and realised this is the 21st century and fitness coaches have sports science degrees and have modern technology so they can accurately keep tabs on each players individual fitness. Do you not think our staff my not have had a quick peak at Pro Zone stats etc to see if we are fit enough compared to other Prem clubs. Funnily enough all our stats show we are getting through more work per game than 90% of teams. This whole fitness issue is a great example of the downside of messageboards. One person suggests something and then in snowballs from there. It's bullshit.
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That's what makes that decision even more baffling... Why should Dowd, stood 5 feet away from the incident, need to consult Rennie, who's stood behind people on the halfway line?
Dowd's excuse was that he told Rennie to 'brace himself' :-|
"Brace yourself, Uriah, I'm about to make one hell of a shit decision!"
And then you see Diouf only get a yellow card for an horrific 'tackle' on Arbeloa (I think)... :duh:
SpurSince57
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So how long have you been watching Spurs in particular and the EPL in general?
From what I saw of Real last season I'd have been disappointed if we couldn't have taken them any time, and I didn't think Barca were any better.
The teams I mentioned may be incapable of playing the way Spurs can play, but play very effectively in their own fashion. I don't understand how Sevilla can stuff Arsenal and then contrive to lose to Almeria. Do you?
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I have watched Sevilla and Spurs enough times to categorically state that Sevilla were a busier team than Spurs. Last season they won the Spanish Cup, the UEFA CUp and were close to winning the league. That tells a lot about how fit they were. From what I have read some players have started to lose weight, and the diet is being changed.
BTW I saw a picture of some stretching exercises by Spurs players and they didn't look very fit to me.
Didn;t Spurs conceade a lot of goals in the final minutes of the games?. That doesn't sound like a sign of a very fit team to me. As I said before time will tell who is right and who is wrong. Luckily for you as a Spurs fan I think I am right :wink:
SpurSince57
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And having seen Diouf's 'tackle' on MOTD (not to mention what Kevin Davies got away with last weekend) I just get angrier. As always, it's the lack of consistency. If Keane's tackle was ajudged a red-card offence, fair enough, as long as every like tackle was counted the same. That isn't happening.
Maybe memory is playing me tricks, but it seems to me the standard of refereeing has got worse, not better.
joey55
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Seville would have won La Liga if it had been stopped after 75 mins last season. Before Ramos left this season they had conceded more than they scored in the last 15 mins. Does that sound like a fit team to you? If you ask me it proves jack shit and tells us nothing about Sevilles' fitness. It just sounds like you are trying to believe what you want. Messageboards just demonstrate how easy it is for religions etc to have developed as people believe what they are told without even questioning it. Our fitness issue is bullshit. If you believe what you read then we were unfit, tactically inept and full of shit players. If you do a little research (such as check out the league table for the last 2 years) you'll see these theories don't quite add up.
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The Spanish league is stronger than the Premier League. That's why a team like Barcelona playing great football two seasons ago beat the total record of points with 84 points. Mourinho's Chelsea with not a better team managed 94 in the Premier League.
Last season the top 4 teams in England were better than in Spain but after the gap was massive with the rest. In the Spanish league the difference is not that big, and teams who qualify for the UEFA Cup or even the CH L the next year may be struggling at the wrong end of the table.
The football those teams you mention play is effective to a certain extent but playing that way can only get you so far.
Spurs have clearly the better players in my view and play a more effective and attractive style, and I include the way Spurs played under Jol in that.
Juande_Ramos
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Far fitter than under Jol, where players could not even perform basic stretching exercises.
BTW, I have my own opinion on this issue. If you don't agree with it, fine, but stop telling me that I just pick other people's opinions and don;t have an educated opinion. As I've said before, time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
SpurSince57
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But as I said in another thread, comparing different leagues is a a dangerous occupation; an imprecise science, if you like. La Liga is certainly more open than the Premiership; correct me if I'm wrong, but only Barca and Real have always figured in the top four of La Liga over the past decade. In fact, I'll correct myself; I think there one or the other of them have been outside the top four on at least one occasion. That is very different from the EPL, where three clubs, lately joined by Chelsea after huge (some might say obscene) amounts of money have formed an almost unassailable cartel.
I wouldn't dispute that the overall technical quality of La Liga is higher, although you have to ask whether the likes of Levante are really any better than their English equivalents at the wrong end of the table. We could argue this endlessly, and, right, the way Bolton, as a particular example, play is effective but will only get you so far. Nevertheless, it is effective.
Spurs have always aspired to play attractive, entertaining football. Unfortunately, effective defence has always been something of an afterthought.
I wouldn't dispute that the overall technical quality of La Liga is higher, although you have to ask whether the likes of Levante are really any better than their English equivalents at the wrong end of the table. We could argue this endlessly, and, right, the way Bolton, as a particular example, play is effective but will only get you so far. Nevertheless, it is effective.
Spurs have always aspired to play attractive, entertaining football. Unfortunately, effective defence has always been something of an afterthought.
