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Match Threads Dinamo Zagreb vs Spurs - Match Thread- 2nd leg

Match Prediction

  • Spurs to advance to the quarterfinals of the Europa Cup

    Votes: 82 63.1%
  • Spurs to miss out on another Trophy

    Votes: 48 36.9%

  • Total voters
    130

shelfmonkey

Weird is different, different is interesting.
Mar 21, 2007
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Utter garbage. Levy got in arguably one of the most successful manager in world football (there's no guaranty with ANY appointment, that it isn't working out, at least he tried). We have Kane we have Son, N'Dombele, Bale, PEH... we have enough quality to play better than this. This is mainly on Jose.

Yes, the club's in a shambles.

Stevie Wonder could see Jose doesn't fit at our club! It's not on Jose, it's on the twat who hired him!!
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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Think he's in trouble now. Just don't see who we could get in at the moment
I think you're right, Trix and you know, I think the sooner he's sacked, the sooner the real problem will be identified. Because the deeper problem needs highlighting and while Mourinho's here the noise around him is never going to be quiet enough for people to see it.

Let's sack him, get a new manager in and then perhaps when we get knocked out of the knockout competitions next season, and stutter in the league when it most matters, maybe then we as fans and the club's hierarchy will start asking the right questions.
 

tommo84

Proud to be loud
Aug 15, 2005
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10 games, tops.
Just like any new player. Everyone wanted shot of Son because he was so shit, yet haven’t learned anything from the virtues of patience and sticking with players or managers. Poch’s head was being called for before it all finally clicked a couple of years in

That’s just not true about Poch. He had a tough first few months but from December in his first season we started to find form and show positive signs. In his 2nd season we finished 3rd. It did not ‘finally click a couple of years in’ and nor were people calling for his head beyond those first few months.
 

Marty

Audere est farce
Mar 10, 2005
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Why was that seen as arrogant and not trust from the manager to these 4 players? Are the playerd not the arrogant ones who think by playing conservatively they can contain the 2 goals lead?

Sometimes, in fact most of the times, games lost have more to say about the players who played than the manager. My only gripe is why Mourinho allowed Sissoko and Dier to play the entire match when things we re looking quite obvious they will surely cock something up.
There is truth to this.

But people on here have been crying for more than two years that Winksoko is a terrible CM partnership.

People have been saying all season that Dier and Sanchez can't play together and bring the worst out of each other.

So many both armchair and analytical observers see this and a manager paid top dollar who has won everything still decides to roll with it. Why is that?
 

parj

NDombelly ate all the pies
Jul 27, 2003
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3 of those mentioned are / were loan signings. Hart was free. Rodon was the cheap option when we needed a bit of class and experience to replace Verts. KWP offset most of the PEH fee. Bergwijn and Doherty are nowhere near the required standard. If you seriously think that Jose has been properly backed by Levy, then you need your head examined!!

Levy has never backed anyone properly. But Mourinho has bought without selling. That's a lot better than Poch, Jol and AVB got.
 

spurslenny

I hate football
Nov 24, 2006
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Had fans been in the stadium for the entire season, Mourinho would most likely have been sacked months ago.

There's no point limping on with him in charge.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Uh-huh.

This squad has mental weakness. It didn't have mental weakness in 2017.

I leave it open to discuss how much of this mental weakness is down to the churn in players and how much is down to the change in manager.

There is no tactical setup that can excuse being second to every 50/50 ball over a 75-minute period, being incapable of handling the press without losing the ball, booting the ball straight at opponents or into touch 20-30 times and being caught in possession 30-40 times. Not winning a single goalkeeper's clearance over 75 minutes of football.

Our manager's whole style depends on a tough, mentally-strong rear-guard. Our players can't do it. It's not an individual thing, it's a collective thing. No one is able to turn things around and regain control, once the opposition starts pressing and harrying our players.

All the other sides are catching on now. Press the hell out of Tottenham and they will give you control of the game, without being capable of getting it back.
They need to be coached to play fast, to know where they need to move to, where their teammates are and all in sync. That clearly isn't happening because other than one or two players moving the rest are static.

People can blame mentality all they want, and that is another problem, but if you give players a strategy that doesn't allow them to think too much they are generally able to follow the plan.

Our players look lost and the only reason we get any semblance of good attacking football is when we have all our best players out on the pitch and they are able to use their quality and intelligence (Kane, Son, Bale, Ndombele, Hojbjerg, Reguillon are all intelligent players).

To get the most out of our poorer or average players, they need a solid structure and strategy that they can follow.

I know that this problem is mostly down to coaching
 

wpmcg

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Nov 16, 2018
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There is truth to this.

But people on here have been crying for more than two years that Winksoko is a terrible CM partnership.

People have been saying all season that Dier and Sanchez can't play together and bring the worst out of each other.

So many both armchair and analytical observers see this and a manager paid top dollar who has won everything still decides to roll with it. Why is that?
And to start with all 4 is unforgiveable.
 

Pistols At Dawn

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Jan 8, 2019
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It's not like we play with any actual tactics at the moment, so even having no manager at all wouldn't be so terrible.
 

daveduvet

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Oct 6, 2008
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I think Jose is a double agent. His sacking at Chelski was a clever move. Abramoviytz (spelling) has employed him as an individual that slowly goes thru managing teams within the premier league, whilst simultaneously getting them to implode. He sneakily trades on past glories to secure said position, but all the while is plotting with tiny little confidence-breaking bombs to usurp any clubs on the up.... he’s currently fulfilling that brief with us.
 

ardiles

Well-Known Member
Nov 24, 2006
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We’re not going to beat City, so the best thing left that we can do is go all out for a top 4 place.

Play the best available players for the rest of the season.

Keep Dier, Sissoko, Winks & Doherty away from every match day squad.

Use the youth to fill up the bench.

Give more playing time to Tanganga & Rodon.
 

shelfmonkey

Weird is different, different is interesting.
Mar 21, 2007
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I think you're right, Trix and you know, I think the sooner he's sacked, the sooner the real problem will be identified. Because the deeper problem needs highlighting and while Mourinho's here the noise around him is never going to be quiet enough for people to see it.

Let's sack him, get a new manager in and then perhaps when we get knocked out of the knockout competitions next season, and stutter in the league when it most matters, maybe then we as fans and the club's hierarchy will start asking the right questions.

I think you'll find it's the club's hierarchy that is the problem.
 

Thenewcat

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Aug 8, 2019
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No I didn’t, I said you can’t JUST blame the manager. By disagreeing you’re implying the players are blameless. Read it again before you get your knickers in a twist.
Apologies I did indeed miss the ‘just’. Some players were and have been poor but ultimately that doesn’t matter. Mourinho’s defence of ‘I don’t tell them to play this way’ is irrelevant. Either he’s lying or they don’t listen to him, either way it’s his failure. I have never, ever seen a team who play worse with a lead. It’s inexplicable, and he’s got to go
 

Marty

Audere est farce
Mar 10, 2005
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That’s just not true about Poch. He had a tough first few months but from December in his first season we started to find form and show positive signs. In his 2nd season we finished 3rd. It did not ‘finally click a couple of years in’ and nor were people calling for his head beyond those first few months.
Totally.

Those who wanted Frank de Boer (hindsight lol) or another manager and didn't want Poch at all were calling for his head around the time of the Kane free kick v Villa. After that, and after the massive squad bust up and clearout that followed, I think Poch had near unanimous backing on here.
 
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