Match Threads Dinamo Zagreb vs Spurs - Match Thread- 2nd leg

[DCSPUR]

I have no doubt that Lloris is having a dig at Alli and prob Winks who always looks pissed off. Surprised with Sissoko last night as his best attribute is usually getting stuck in and effort. Let that scorer of second goal just run away.

frankly it has to be much more than that. Honestly in a squad with experienced players etc. simply Alli and Winks would not derail the season.
Particularly when you think about the end of the Poch era where Winks was a fav and Alli played a lot

 

[14/04/91]

The one thing I'm constantly amazed by is the apparent arrogance both the players and club show the Europa League. It seems they genuinely see it as beneath them and this has been a constant for a number of years now under different managers. We've never given it any respect and that's why we never go far in it, which is quite disgraceful when you look at the squads we've had.

I know we've got much bigger problems at the moment, but I think it's symptomatic of the wider issues at the club. Especially an unrealistic sense of our status - players seem to think they're much better than they actually are. I could possibly understand top players like Kane and Son showing less than their best when playing the EL, but for limited players like Winks and Sissoko to swan about as if they're doing us a favour playing in it, really rubs salt into the wound.

And this is where I would defend Mourinho (which doesn't happen often). The side he picked, indeed every side he's chosen this EL campaign, was more than strong enough to progress last night.

I also get the impression players like Winks, Ali, possibly Dier played like they knew they were only stop-gaps and wouldn't have retained their place had we advanced.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I agree. You’re totally right mate. The sad thing is we’re managed by accountants with a head over heart mentality. As long as we don’t take chances and financial risks, we’re going to suffer losses and decline. Poch did some special things and we didn’t build on it in the right way.

Spot on mate???

 

[14/04/91]

Dinamo Zagreb are 40/1 to win the EL. With only 8 teams left.

That's who we lost a two-goal, no away goal advantage to.....

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

So we would have had a home tie against Villareal .... also Gael Clichy looks at young boys.

 

[spud]

I think there's a small issue with your internet, spuddy, because it seems you missed a large chunk of Lloris' interview. That must be the reason because I reckon a good two thrids of it are missing. He talks about the players a lot. Just to do you a favour, I'll pull out the bits that were inexplicably missing from your analysis. And we'll do a little word count at the end, just for fun. Here's one bit from near the end:

"I think we all belong to the team. Football is not about individual players. It's not because there [are] two, three [or] four players that are going to step up. It's not enough. We need more than that."

I wonder what the 'more' means. I mean he was saying we have a few players who will step up, but we need... 'more'. I have to say I'm scratching my head a bit about what it is he thinks we need more of.... He says two, three or four players who step up... but we need more. Hmmmm. I'm going to need someone to translate that for me, I have to admit.

Or how about:

"[It's one thing] to come in front of the camera [and] say 'I'm ambitious'. [It's another] thing to show [it] every day in training sessions, to show [it] every time on the pitch. You can't let it down if you play or not play.

Now, correct me I'm wrong, but Mourinho doesn't do much playing, right? So who could Lloris possibly be referring to here....? I'm just trying to work out who it is that usually is required to do things on a pitch.... Got it! He was talking about the referee, wasn't he? Thank goodness I managed to work it out! But don't worry, there's a whole load more from Hugo you missed for some reason; search me what that reason could possibly be.... maybe your video player cut out, who knows? Anyway:

"To behave as a team is the most difficult thing to do in football. Whatever is the decision of the manager, you have to follow the way of the team.

Funny, that sounds to me like there are individuals who are deliberately choosing not, to quote Hugo, "to follow the way of the team". Hmmmm. Now, I wonder who it is that Hugo's talking about here? Who is it that's, essentially, pissing on the badge? And speaking of badges, our club captain had this to say...

Oh no, wait it's still another four and half minutes into the interview before he gets to the bit about the badge. There's a whole load more before then. To be honest it's such a shame you seemed to have missed it, spuddy. I'd speak to your ISP and ask them why they cut off most of Hugo's interview, because hell, you wouldn't cherrypick the bit that sounds like it may bear a tangential relationship to what you're trying to push, so the fault must be with your browser or internet connection. Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. But anyway back to Monsieur Lloris:

"If you follow the team only when you're in the starting XI that causes big problems for the team".

That Mourinho, eh? Only working for the team when he's in the starting XI! (What's supremely funny to me is that you actually quoted the rest of that sentence in your lambasting of Mourinho. What, didn't you notice what you were copying and pasting?)

Once more to Hugo, after being asked whether he believed what happened last night was possible, he expounded on it always being possible in football, and added that:

"What is more painful is the feeling we came here without the desire to kill the game."

That's key because earlier in the interview he explicitly stated that the manager had urged the team to go out get a goal to make it easier i.e. kill the game. So who is responsible for not following he manager's instructions? Ah, I worked this one out too.... it's Ledley, isn't it? I'm on fire right now!

Hugo continued that answer with:

"And when you're a competitor, you cannot behave in that way."

Who could it be that cannot behave that way? The manager? It was the manager that when instructed to kill the game, didn't, and as a competitor shouldn't have behaved that way? That must be it!

After being asked about Hugo's personal experience in lifting himself up after disappointments and whether the other players can do it too, the response began with the passage I quoted first. He continued that thought with:

"On the bench there is an influence to have. To push the others. In training sessions the same. Everyone has to be ready to push and make sure he is ready to help the team when the moment [comes]. It's not only stay on your side and complain because [in] the end what we have to do is respect is this..." pointing to the Spurs emblem on his coat "...it's the badge, this is the most important thing. It's over all the players in the place and we have to respect the badge."

Now, I think I've grasped the basic gist of football enough to know that 'the others' is probably referring to the other players, right? Not the manager or staff. Have I got that right? But it must be Mourinho who is complaining, yes? It's Mourinho not respecting the badge, yes?

Now, let's get to the fun bit. Yep, you're in for a treat. IT'S WORD-COUNT TIME! WOOHOO!

Your Lloris quote word count: 112

My Lloris quote word count: 237 and that doesn't include the square bracket words, btw.

So, you pull out 112 words of the interview, I pull out 237 - more than double. Plus yours also contained words that actually support the idea that his main thrust was about the players, not the manager but we'll count all the ones you used anyway. So 112 words about the manager against 237 words about the players.

I think we need someone to translate what that means.

You're so funny you should be on stage. In fact, your post was so hilarious that it made me piss myself laughing.

Let me know where you're doing stand-up and I'll buy a ticket.

 

[rez9000]

You're so funny you should be on stage. In fact, your post was so hilarious that it made me piss myself laughing.

Let me know where you're doing stand-up and I'll buy a ticket.

Some time to go yet - I'm still honing.

 

[KingKay]

You're a very confrontational poster.

I’m actually quite a positive person in real life, and on here ? Difficult not to get wound up in the face of relentless negativity.

 

[Springerding]

This is from the official websites ''The club'' page,
Mr Levy, could you please read this out aloud & then have a look in a mirror.

The Game Is About Glory.

The words of our 1961 Double-winning captain Danny Blanchflower reverberate around Tottenham Hotspur and everything we do, to this day and into the future.

We are about playing with flair, style and passion. Players, coaches, staff and fans – we move forward, together as one.

We’re so proud of our rich history. From humble beginnings in North London, we became the first and, to date, only non-league side to win the FA Cup in 1901 – the first of eight triumphs in the age-old, world-renowned competition thus far.
In 1951, we won the English First Division league title for the first time, just 12 months after coming up from the Second Division as champions. And 10 years later, we reached even greater heights, becoming the first team in the modern era to complete the league and FA Cup double.

Bill Nicholson was our manager then, but he was so much more than just a manager. He was Mr Tottenham. A former player of ours, he lived and breathed Tottenham Hotspur, guiding us to huge success in his 16 years at the helm. Under his stewardship, we became the first British team to win a major European trophy with European Cup Winners’ Cup glory in 1963, collected further FA Cups in 1962 and 1967, won the League Cup in 1971 and 1973 and tasted European success once more by lifting the 1972 UEFA Cup.

Further FA Cup, UEFA Cup and League Cup trophies followed throughout the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s, leading us to up to the present day where we strive to innovate and amaze in pursuit of more silverware.

We’re hungry, we’re progressive, we’ve built a brand new world-class Training Centre and moved into an outstanding, modern new stadium, overlapping the site of White Hart Lane, where we played our home games for 118 years.

 

[shelfboy68]

This is from the official websites ''The club'' page,
Mr Levy, could you please read this out aloud & then have a look in a mirror.

The Game Is About Glory.

The words of our 1961 Double-winning captain Danny Blanchflower reverberate around Tottenham Hotspur and everything we do, to this day and into the future.

We are about playing with flair, style and passion. Players, coaches, staff and fans – we move forward, together as one.

We’re so proud of our rich history. From humble beginnings in North London, we became the first and, to date, only non-league side to win the FA Cup in 1901 – the first of eight triumphs in the age-old, world-renowned competition thus far.
In 1951, we won the English First Division league title for the first time, just 12 months after coming up from the Second Division as champions. And 10 years later, we reached even greater heights, becoming the first team in the modern era to complete the league and FA Cup double.

Bill Nicholson was our manager then, but he was so much more than just a manager. He was Mr Tottenham. A former player of ours, he lived and breathed Tottenham Hotspur, guiding us to huge success in his 16 years at the helm. Under his stewardship, we became the first British team to win a major European trophy with European Cup Winners’ Cup glory in 1963, collected further FA Cups in 1962 and 1967, won the League Cup in 1971 and 1973 and tasted European success once more by lifting the 1972 UEFA Cup.

Further FA Cup, UEFA Cup and League Cup trophies followed throughout the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s, leading us to up to the present day where we strive to innovate and amaze in pursuit of more silverware.

We’re hungry, we’re progressive, we’ve built a brand new world-class Training Centre and moved into an outstanding, modern new stadium, overlapping the site of White Hart Lane, where we played our home games for 118 years.

He won't be able to hear you over the sound of angry fan's.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Think he's in trouble now. Just don't see who we could get in at the moment

I feel what what your saying here!! ... Who ever comes in needs to get rid of the proper deadwood Dire, Winks, Siss, Davies , D'oherty etc ... these folk need to get out, for us to start moving forward and not regressing ... these players are such liabilities, holding and dragging us back, they are just not upto standard and im befuddled some are even classed as PL standard players, harsh but its true .... I dont believe any manager can get these guys upto standard because they just are poor, they plateaued along time ago and just are regressing not just ability wise but mentality wise , i truly believe especially the ones i mentioned would struggle to get into any top half PL clubs let alone some even being "classed " as PL worth ...

 

[Shadydan]

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I KNEW he did not beat us while in jail!

 

[MassadaTom]

on his way to London.