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Match Threads Spurs vs Southampton - Match Thread - Day 33

Match Prediction

  • A Spurs Win

    Votes: 169 71.0%
  • A Spurs Loss

    Votes: 30 12.6%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 19 8.0%
  • Goalless

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Cannot make up my mind

    Votes: 16 6.7%

  • Total voters
    238

Dirtysanchez6

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May 15, 2018
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Just remembered that early freekick to Southampton when Lo Celso totally switched off and was still arguing with himself while the ball was in play.
Fk that was so poor.
Unacceptable for the u12s nevermind a supposed professional footballer.
Noticed a few of our players doing this recently or calling for the ref to give a foul and basically stop while the game is still going aurier did it against Everton
 

SpursSince1980

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Jan 23, 2011
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Absolute Bollocks. The players were trying and pressing and tackling with full intent and energy from minute one it was just that for the first 20 minutes Southampton played very well and it took us a while to get to grips with that and get hold of the game which is more than understandable given the team have an interim manager in place only 2 days ago who is asking them to play higher up and more positivity so it was always going to take a bit of easing into the game.

Hilarious that you think the players ‘just tried harder in the 2nd half’ ??Bale literally said afterwards at half time they tweaked a few things tactically and were told to relax a bit more on the ball which they did and therefore settled into the game as a result, it was nothing to do with the effort of the players it was just a game of football where as Mason said afterwards saints played well for the first 20 mins Hugo made 2 good saves and then slowly we started to settle Into the game abs the new approach and style and plan of playing.

Fair play for challenging me passionately but you’re wrong ;)
Yeah, you win. My post was bollocks-esque in just how wrong it was. Now that you point it out, I can see the error of my ways. I can't believe I had the temerity to say the players 'just tried harder in the 2nd half'! What a numpty, I is. I was looking at it all wrong. What presented as lackluster and listless, was actually just a small issue around integrating and executing the new tactics. And furthermore, the static movement and misplaced passes in the 1st half, and all the 50/50 challenges we lost, was a combination of Soton being better, and all we needed to do was make a few tactical tweaks, iron out the yips, and away we go.

And yes, I can see your point that Southampton were just much better than us for the first 20 mins, while we were adjusting and jittery. That also explains why we let them score on the 30th minute. As we needed to give them something for their effort. And, as I said in the match thread, it was actually kinda genius of Mason to reverse the narrative. Instead of us scoring first, and shitting the bed, we should let them score first, and they will shit the bed. Unique thinking. I bet Julian Nagelessman wouldn't have come up with that piece out of the box brilliance. And, more importantly, it empirically underlines your point about effort... We (me) misread the situation chapter and verse. It was all part of the plan, apparently. Put me down with the rest of the: 'Yee of little faith', brigade.

Lord knows I was completely fooled. Along with one or two others, I imagine!

But not you. You were very consistent in the match thread that we should all be patient and eventually it'll come together. Very prescient. And not to mention, brave. You saw something I think many of us, including dumbass pundits could not. (have you ever considered being a scout?)

Oh, I also appreciate the tip of the hat, for remarking on my a valiant attempt to challenge you. That's very generous and magnanimous. Thank you, kindly good sir.

Hugs and kisses abounding. 'Tis a good day to be a Spurs fan. Even one like me, who doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow!

(Psst... just between me and you, that wasn't me being passionate. Disagreeing wholeheartedly? Yes. But, trust me, you'll know when it's passionate.)
 

Reece_Spurs

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Sep 10, 2011
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All we need right now and for sunday is some positivity and confidence. We showed that in the second half. I also loved the 6 minutes of stoppage time. I was worried when 6 minutes went up but I remember seeing 4 players pressing the ball right up near their corner flag in those 6 minutes, that was good to see.

It also reminded me how easily the opposition can give the ball away when pressed hard, they did that alot in the second.

It seemed the players had a bit more freedom to play and to press and I think thats the way forward.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Hahaha this is madness. No, we need our best players on the pitch if we are going to win. Ndombele over Winks every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Ndombele has been poor of late, he's not been playing like he deserves to start - take the blinkers off please.

Not saying Winks is better than him but I see the argument why he could start on Sunday.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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Good result and I'm pleased for Ryan, butt as the long term Jose outers kept reminding us after every win it was against a low level side. I'll say the same now as then you can only beat what's in front of you but the quality of the opposition has to be acknowledged. Let's look to build from this but be under no illusion things have to improve a lot still on the pitch. I was not happy Winks was brought on for back of house reasons but he played well enough, and it's not on Mason to judge him on his past. Levy though should look to get rid asap if he's got the best interests of the club in mind because he's no different to Rose who Levy himself has declared unpickable.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Aug 10, 2017
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I thought Winks played well tbf. Much sharper and quicker with his passing. Made a difference.

I’ve been on his case all season, so fair play to him.

Came on, moved the ball around a lot quicker and contributed to the goal that wasn’t. Marked difference to what Ndombele did.

Wonder if he starts Sunday :bored:
 

GutBucket

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May 26, 2013
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Pass map looking more similar to other top teams now. Would look better with Kane in the team.
Screenshot_2021-04-22-09-32-17-76.jpg
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Yeah, you win. My post was bollocks-esque in just how wrong it was. Now that you point it out, I can see the error of my ways. I can't believe I had the temerity to say the players 'just tried harder in the 2nd half'! What a numpty, I is. I was looking at it all wrong. What presented as lackluster and listless, was actually just a small issue around integrating and executing the new tactics. And furthermore, the static movement and misplaced passes in the 1st half, and all the 50/50 challenges we lost, was a combination of Soton being better, and all we needed to do was make a few tactical tweaks, iron out the yips, and away we go.

And yes, I can see your point that Southampton were just much better than us for the first 20 mins, while we were adjusting and jittery. That also explains why we let them score on the 30th minute. As we needed to give them something for their effort. And, as I said in the match thread, it was actually kinda genius of Mason to reverse the narrative. Instead of us scoring first, and shitting the bed, we should let them score first, and they will shit the bed. Unique thinking. I bet Julian Nagelessman wouldn't have come up with that piece out of the box brilliance. And, more importantly, it empirically underlines your point about effort... We (me) misread the situation chapter and verse. It was all part of the plan, apparently. Put me down with the rest of the: 'Yee of little faith', brigade.

Lord knows I was completely fooled. Along with one or two others, I imagine!

But not you. You were very consistent in the match thread that we should all be patient and eventually it'll come together. Very prescient. And not to mention, brave. You saw something I think many of us, including dumbass pundits could not. (have you ever considered being a scout?)

Oh, I also appreciate the tip of the hat, for remarking on my a valiant attempt to challenge you. That's very generous and magnanimous. Thank you, kindly good sir.

Hugs and kisses abounding. 'Tis a good day to be a Spurs fan. Even one like me, who doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow!

(Psst... just between me and you, that wasn't me being passionate. Disagreeing wholeheartedly? Yes. But, trust me, you'll know when it's passionate.)
I’m glad you saw the error of your ways ;)
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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I missed the game. How would people say we were different from Mourinho or was it more of the same?
 

Marty

Audere est farce
Mar 10, 2005
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I missed the game. How would people say we were different from Mourinho or was it more of the same?
The first half was like a bad Mourinho performance, but the second was greatly improved and we actually attacked with purpose and kept the pressing and the tempo up right until the final whistle. It was also a great credit to the players that heads didn't drop after the disallowed goal, they kept going and got their reward.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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I missed the game. How would people say we were different from Mourinho or was it more of the same?
It wasn't much different to be honest. Sloppy at times, go behind have increased urgency. We had games like this under Jose, although I'm sure some will be saying it was a big improvement, it wasn't. Not that after two training sessions I was expecting too much. Players seemed happier though.
 

vicbob

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Aug 26, 2008
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It wasn't much different to be honest. Sloppy at times, go behind have increased urgency. We had games like this under Jose, although I'm sure some will be saying it was a big improvement, it wasn't. Not that after two training sessions I was expecting too much. Players seemed happier though.

I think that was the major positive to take from this, the first half was dreadful, easily as bad as the worst Jose stuff, but the spirit in the second half seemed to grow, and the players seemed to be enjoying it more as the game went on, rather than panicking as the final whistle got nearer.
 

razzmaster

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Jun 21, 2008
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I missed the game. How would people say we were different from Mourinho or was it more of the same?

I think the biggest differences were that we started badly and finished strongly, which is pretty much the opposite of us under Jose.

Also, I thought the substitions were effective, which again made a nice change.

Otherwise it wasn't dissimilar to the rest of the season.
 

Aphex

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Jan 30, 2021
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Ndombele has been poor of late, he's not been playing like he deserves to start - take the blinkers off please.

Not saying Winks is better than him but I see the argument why he could start on Sunday.


Sorry, I really can't see the argument. Winks plays an ok 25 minutes and people want him to start the league cup final? It's crazy.

Not to mention as Trix alludes to, he's a prick behind the scenes.

When Winks plays our CM is trash. City will dominate us. Winks always gets schooled when we play Man City, whereas Ndombele has actually been MOM against City before.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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I think that was the major positive to take from this, the first half was dreadful, easily as bad as the worst Jose stuff, but the spirit in the second half seemed to grow, and the players seemed to be enjoying it more as the game went on, rather than panicking as the final whistle got nearer.
I think the biggest differences were that we started badly and finished strongly, which is pretty much the opposite of us under Jose.

Also, I thought the substitions were effective, which again made a nice change.

Otherwise it wasn't dissimilar to the rest of the season.

I wonder if it had anything to do with not fearing a bollocking at full time for any errors.

I saw Bale's interview where he said we have good players so should attack more. I thought that very pointing.
 

Trix

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I wonder if it had anything to do with not fearing a bollocking at full time for any errors.

I saw Bale's interview where he said we have good players so should attack more. I thought that very pointing.
We often picked up the pace when going behind against lesser teams under Jose. Jose even made a point of saying in a post match interview one game, he was happy the opposition scored because he knew it would wake us up. We just often didn't convert our chances in those games.
 

ardiles

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Nov 24, 2006
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I think the team played poorly in the first half because they were so used to playing the tactics and style under Mourinho and weren’t sure how to play differently.

They improved in the second half , possibly partly because of Mason’s halftime team talk and/or they awoke from their in trance state and realised that they weren’t under Jose anymore and were allowed to get out of their shells and attack the opponents.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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We often picked up the pace when going behind against lesser teams under Jose. Jose even made a point of saying in a post match interview one game, he was happy the opposition scored because he knew it would wake us up. We just often didn't convert our chances in those games.

There's a mental block with this lot, no doubt about it.
 
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