Harry Kane

Cel said:

Well, it's not nothing I guess, it's paying 50m a year for 3 years of Harry Kane. Not sure if that adds up to maximised value from the deal, by it's defo not nothing.

Assuming he is desperate to leave (I still haven't seen stronger than a crossroads, and wanting a discussion, but admittedly may have missed it), the issue to me more lies with up and coming players seeing we've held on against his will, and blocked his career goals and steering clear of us if so, as they don't want the same to happen.

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coopsieyid said:

I can understand that, but hopefully the image we all have of Kane, ie the consummate professional, is correct & he's not going to be the type who sulks, downs tools & becomes a negative influence within the squad.

From the outside looking in, it doesn't appear like he'd purposely cause issues within the club (though I do realise the pre Euro statements, from his brother? weren't exactly helpful).

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dontcallme said:

I'm confident he wouldn't actively cause issues.

But if his motivation to be here has really gone and he believes he could be elsewhere then he could give us another year of football but at some point anyone would become resentful at being forced to stay too long.

I watched the Maradonna film and the point when he wanted out of Napoli was sad viewing.

We just have to hope Kane doesn't want out.

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coopsieyid said:

I think, judging by many posts on here, the majority of us are kind of in the "think he'll give it 1 more season to see if we're improving/ambitious & then he'll be allowed to leave for an agreed fee" camp.

I'm with you in the hope that he doesn't actively want out. But Trix has just hit upon the important point. How many players actually put in transfer requests?

I'm sure I've read that, although Kane has intimated his desire to the club, to try somewhere new, he'd stop short of putting in a transfer request?

Hopefully I'm remembering correctly.

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dimiSpur said:

Some people on this forum need to give their heads a wobble. Having said that, given such a wobble, I guess they'd just hear a lot of rattling from the miniscule brain in there. Yes I'm talking about yankspurs. But not only.

I get posting with negativity after losing a big match or after the debacle which was the manager search. But looking at every single little Instagram post and finding something negative to say about it is not petty, it's vicious and gruesome. Just fuck off, seriously. It's why, in recent years, I've seen myself visiting this site, a site I've loved and been on for more than half my lifetime, a lot less often.

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dimiSpur said:

Some people on this forum need to give their heads a wobble. Having said that, given such a wobble, I guess they'd just hear a lot of rattling from the miniscule brain in there. Yes I'm talking about yankspurs. But not only.

I get posting with negativity after losing a big match or after the debacle which was the manager search. But looking at every single little Instagram post and finding something negative to say about it is not petty, it's vicious and gruesome. Just fuck off, seriously. It's why, in recent years, I've seen myself visiting this site, a site I've loved and been on for more than half my lifetime, a lot less often.

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coopsieyid said:

Mate, I understand your frustration, and please don't take this the wrong way.

If the guys posts wind you up so much, why not just skip past them, or put him on ignore?

The lad gets lots of grief on here, and he does undoubtedly post some crazy stuff, but it's easy to see he's not actually a bad person. He just doesn't have a filter.

None of us are perfect. But our Hank is part of the furniture, the national treasure of SC.

Honestly, this place would miss the crazy bastard of he were to ever leave the site.

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dimiSpur said:

I have never put anyone, in so far as I can remember, on ignore. It's not something I'd be comfortable doing. And crazy, batshit opinions are one thing, vitriolic abuse and bullying is another. I vehemently defend people's right to say what they like, even when I disagree with what they're saying.

My post was not aimed at Hank personally, but more the type of posters we have nowadays. As the sites' members list has risen, the amount of abusive posts has also risen. Perhaps is something the moderators should look into. There's a difference between abuse and harsh critique. "Doherty is shit" is one thing. Making it personal and/or abusive is another.

And the culture I'm talking about can be nurtured. SC, for example, forbids even the slightest of critique of ITKs (for its own reasons, which I personally understand but disagree with). Hence, the culture of this site, even if someone posts ITK which is clearly ridiculous is to just say "Thanks pal". So it can be done! If 20% of the same protection was accorded to posts which are clearly just abusive and not based on any opinion held in good faith, then maybe we'd see less online abuse.

These players might get paid millions, but they're still just people. And the funny thing is, we can abuse them when they're shit or have said something we don't agree with, without any loyalty, yet we demand it from them. It's just double standards.

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dimiSpur said:

I have never put anyone, in so far as I can remember, on ignore. It's not something I'd be comfortable doing. And crazy, batshit opinions are one thing, vitriolic abuse and bullying is another. I vehemently defend people's right to say what they like, even when I disagree with what they're saying.

My post was not aimed at Hank personally, but more the type of posters we have nowadays. As the sites' members list has risen, the amount of abusive posts has also risen. Perhaps is something the moderators should look into. There's a difference between abuse and harsh critique. "Doherty is shit" is one thing. Making it personal and/or abusive is another.

And the culture I'm talking about can be nurtured. SC, for example, forbids even the slightest of critique of ITKs (for its own reasons, which I personally understand but disagree with). Hence, the culture of this site, even if someone posts ITK which is clearly ridiculous is to just say "Thanks pal". So it can be done! If 20% of the same protection was accorded to posts which are clearly just abusive and not based on any opinion held in good faith, then maybe we'd see less online abuse.

These players might get paid millions, but they're still just people. And the funny thing is, we can abuse them when they're shit or have said something we don't agree with, without any loyalty, yet we demand it from them. It's just double standards.

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coopsieyid said:

Mate, I understand your frustration, and please don't take this the wrong way.

If the guys posts wind you up so much, why not just skip past them, or put him on ignore?

The lad gets lots of grief on here, and he does undoubtedly post some crazy stuff, but it's easy to see he's not actually a bad person. He just doesn't have a filter.

None of us are perfect. But our Hank is part of the furniture, the national treasure of SC.

Honestly, this place would miss the crazy bastard of he were to ever leave the site.

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kd2000 said:

Hank gets a lot of stick in here. I dont agree with a lot of things he says, he may not agree with much of what I say.
Thats why its called a game of opinions because not all are the same.
We don't have to agree and being perfectly honest i'm glad everyone doesn't agree or a forum would be pointless.
Some of the flippant comments aimed at Hank recently have left me feeling a little uncomfortable. Yes Hank does spout controversially differing opinions to most. BUT, its an opinion, agree or disagree all you want.
Don't attack him as a person, we don't know him

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dontcallme said:

Would like to agree. But posters do, rightly, get banned for trolling.

Read his posts in the Euro final thread. He was clearly trying to wind everyone up.

His posts aren't simply a different views. They are trolling and ruin many threads.

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dontcallme said:

I'm confident he wouldn't actively cause issues.

But if his motivation to be here has really gone and he believes he could be elsewhere then he could give us another year of football but at some point anyone would become resentful at being forced to stay too long.

I watched the Maradonna film and the point when he wanted out of Napoli was sad viewing.

We just have to hope Kane doesn't want out.

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spursfan77 said:

You never can truly tell what a person might do if pushed into a corner though. In all likelihood he’d knuckle down but you never know.

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coopsieyid said:

I'll agree, there should never be any need to resort to insults or personal slurs.

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dontcallme said:

I am only guessing from the outside. But if he wants out now then we'll likely be able to keep him an extra season. Anything longer than that and his attitude would likely change.

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coopsieyid said:

Mate, I understand your frustration, and please don't take this the wrong way.

If the guys posts wind you up so much, why not just skip past them, or put him on ignore?

The lad gets lots of grief on here, and he does undoubtedly post some crazy stuff, but it's easy to see he's not actually a bad person. He just doesn't have a filter.

None of us are perfect. But our Hank is part of the furniture, the national treasure of SC.

Honestly, this place would miss the crazy bastard if he were to ever leave the site.

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