Match Threads Southampton Vs Spurs

Meercat · Dec 28, 2021

I’m disappointed, but more frustrated, that should have been 1-3, both the later disallowed goals should have stood, I think, and conceivably an argument could be made over Davies, too… we deserved the win, but most importantly we didn’t lose after going one down. We picked the Defense apart and put the ball in the net four times.

rossdapep · Dec 28, 2021

Daytripper said:
He’d dropped the ball before he’d even touched Doherty. Sorry, but that was a perfectly good goal incorrectly ruled out. If anything a Southampton player touched the keeper causing him to drop the ball.

I was unsure at first but the more I see it the worse it gets.

At no point is Forster in control of that, and he's catching the ball away too low. Secondly, he bumps into Doherty more.

The goalkeeper definitely got away with that.

Mate · Dec 28, 2021

Need to pick up 3 points against Watford to keep the pace. Arsenal and Chelsea follow which will both be tough for different reasons

fishhhandaricecake · Dec 28, 2021

I genuinely think if people are moaning about the performance and result today then they’re either very short sighted or they’re the kind of fans who will just never be happy.

Sure today wasn’t our best performance but Conte is unbeaten in 7 in the PL with us, he’s squeezing every drop out of this squad and until we make some signings to improve the quality and depth we have especially in creative and attacking areas, then we will have games like today where if the decisions go against us we just can’t score or break through.

Only a few months ago the same players under Nuno couldn’t manage a shot on target for over 2 matches, today in a ‘poor performance’ we had 21 shots and 11 on target!!! Chill out ppl.

But today is certainly not something any of our fans need to get down or upset about at all.

Onto the next and let’s hope for a few additions in January.

COYS

rossdapep · Dec 28, 2021

Actually. Them going down to 10 actually hurt us more. I think we were fully prepared to catch them out and as Southampton tired, look to pick then off on the counter (like we did for the pen).

Because they went down to 10, they changed tactics and crowded the box, meaning we now had to use guile and deeper crosses to catch them out but we don't really have the best players for that.

Wsussexspur · Dec 28, 2021

spursfan77 said:

said earlier i thought Harry was offside! Having seen this it’s clear he wasn’t! Something urgently needs to be done the standard of refereeing in this country is getting worse, also it’s normally the same old referees (moss, Dean, Atkinson) season in season out making these horrendous decisions.

DarwinSpur · Dec 28, 2021

spursfan77 said:
He was fine, played much better than both regullion and Emerson. Yet some can’t let go of their hate for him. Sad really.

He was fine for what he was asked to do.

I know all fan bases are... diverse... in their opinions but this watch day thread is absolutely brutal on long held prejudices.

Doherty was fine when he was on.

We had 21 shots with 11 on target so we didn't "fail to create". (in fact our best Xg for the season according to Opta)

And Harry Winks put in probably the best CM performance we've seen since Poch and people still slagged him off because that's their position now and they aren't shifting even when what's actually happening on the field makes their posts look utterly ridiculous.

But it's dropped points and it stings. Bad.

ajspurs · Dec 28, 2021

rossdapep said:
Actually. Them going down to 10 actually hurt us more. I think we were fully prepared to catch them out and as Southampton tired, look to pick then off on the counter (like we did for the pen).

Because they went down to 10, they changed tactics and crowded the box, meaning we now had to use guile and deeper crosses to catch them out but we don't really have the best players for that.

Yeah it definitely made it tougher for us. Even though we weren't playing very well, I think those balls like the one for Son for the penalty were on all half and there was so much space to play into. Had Lucas come on for Dele with that same space present I think we would have benefited well.

ohtottenham! · Dec 28, 2021

InOffMeLeftShin said:
The loss to Man Utd triggered a change. If this game shows us anything it’s that we still struggle to break down teams that sit. Conte automations have been great on the break and in transition but still need more in games like these.

We should have won, were robbed but I bet Conte learned a lot from today

Great post with a balanced perspective. You put it in a nutshell especially with the last phrase. Conte's one of the best coaches in the world and he knows what he's doing. He hasn't been here long and he's sorting out everything re our team/squad needs. It won't happen overnight.

Timberwolf · Dec 28, 2021

rossdapep said:
I was unsure at first but the more I see it the worse it gets.

At no point is Forster in control of that, and he's catching the ball away too low. Secondly, he bumps into Doherty more.

The goalkeeper definitely got away with that.

That pisses me off more than the offside TBH.

When the ball goes into the back of the net in any situation there should be a mandatory VAR check, much like how they check for offsides.

Huge decisions are hanging on the fragile egos of the officials and the weird interpersonal relationships between referees. It's a total joke and there needs to be some kind of strict protocol to prevent the VAR being ignored arbitrarily.

Teams are losing points and games because VAR officials are afraid of slightly undermining the referee on the pitch.

Aleks · Dec 28, 2021

DarwinSpur said:
He was fine for what he was asked to do.

I know all fan bases are... diverse... in their opinions but this watch day thread is absolutely brutal on long held prejudices.

Doherty was fine when he was on.

We had 21 shots with 11 on target so we didn't "fail to create". (in fact our best Xg for the season according to Opta)

And Harry Winks put in probably the best CM performance we've seen since Poch and people still slagged him off because that's their position now and they aren't shifting even when what's actually happening on the field makes their posts look utterly ridiculous.

But it's dropped points and it stings. Bad.

exactly
I couldn't award this post enough

so many long held prejudices against some of our players it's crazy.

spids · Dec 28, 2021

Clattenberg showed he is a crap ref by claiming that VAR won’t intervene once the ref has blown the whistle. Of course they should - it’s there for clear and obvious errors. With Forsters’s own goal the ref should have been told to look at the monitor. Whoever was VAR ref will get a good telling off for that and the debatable offside (which is supposed to only intervene in a clear error and not end up with badly drawn lines overlapping from players leading elbow). Should have been 3-1 and the ref / VAR assistant robbed us. That said, Southampton deserved a point more than we deserved the three points as we were pretty shocking throughout.

SpartanSpur · Dec 28, 2021

Very frustrating to drop two points, especially against 10 men. Just wouldn't happen for us today. Southampton were also very pumped up for whatever reason and fought hard for their point.

Two very harshly disallowed goals adds insult to injury.

Hopefully a reminder to the powers that be that improvement is still very much required.

Hopefully Conte will get his first away win with us on Saturday.

slartibartfast · Dec 28, 2021

Parklane Spur said:
I've said for a while now, Son is very streaky. He can go on brilliant runs where he scores frequently and has genuine world class quality but equally has too many games with a loose touch and can't get going. Not bagging him as I love the man and he always puts in the effort, but not quite consistent enough to be in that top top bracket.

Thats because he is human and not a fucking robot. There isnt a player alive who is shit hot every match.
He is hands down one of the best players we have and probably in the top 20 or 30 we have ever had.
Why fans feel the need to say he blows hot and cold every game he doesnt get a 9 out of 10 I dont know.
We dont have many players who would get in other top 4 teams but he would.
Do you think we can improve on him? I don't.

Parklane Spur · Dec 28, 2021

slartibartfast said:
Thats because he is human and not a fucking robot. There isnt a player alive who is shit hot every match.
He is hands down one of the best players we have and probably in the top 20 or 30 we have ever had.
Why fans feel the need to say he blows hot and cold every game he doesnt get a 9 out of 10 I dont know.
We dont have many players who would get in other top 4 teams but he would.
Do you think we can improve on him? I don't.

I was replying to another post which referred to Son - because I'm a numpty I forgot to quote it.

I must have missed the part where I called him a robot, said I expect 10/10 every match and that we should Improve on him. I merely commented that he wasn't consistent enough to be considered world class and that was in response to another post on his form. Literally said that I love him , so don't misquote what I said to make it something it obviously wasn't.

TonyS · Dec 28, 2021

We are all saying (me included) that we should have won. But in reality, we did what we needed to do to win, put the ball in the net, but due to shocking decisions, they were disallowed. The Docs one could have went either way, but Kanes goal was so onside, but fuck it. Anyway, Doherty, Deli and possibly Winks, didnt do anything to help their cause. Dele is the biggest disappointment for me over the past few years. So much talent, burst onto the scene, then got distracted and he went like the ole Simon & Garfunkel song, "Slip Sliding Away". Shame really. Talent without application is nothing

slartibartfast · Dec 28, 2021

Parklane Spur said:
I was replying to another post which referred to Son - because I'm a numpty I forgot to quote it.

I must have missed the part where I called him a robot, said I expect 10/10 every match and that we should Improve on him. I merely commented that he wasn't consistent enough to be considered world class and that was in response to another post on his form. Literally said that I love him , so don't misquote what I said to make it something it obviously wasn't.

Sorry, my rant wasnt aimed at just your post and I should have made that clear.
Just does my head in the constant Son comments like he's not,as Adrian Durham would say 'all that."
He's one of the best footballers in Europe ffs.

Mattspurs1982 · Dec 28, 2021

Not sure I agree with some of those saying winks had his best game for awhile. Yes a few nice balls over the top (one for Kane which should have been an assist) but he is ponderous, dallies and got caught numerous times (sometimes on the edge of the 18 yard box!), doesnt drive forward with the ball and still “too safe” for where we want to be. Yes it’s a bit of an improvement from previous ECL performances but still not good enough for our ambitions

djhotspur · Dec 28, 2021

Timberwolf said:
No denying it was a disappointing result and performance but I don't think it's worth getting too upset about.

Every team in the league, including Man City and Liverpool, occasionally fails to break down a team that sits this deep with every man behind the ball. It happened to us plenty of times under Poch when we were at our best, so it's not the end of the world.

I think Conte got a couple of things wrong and we definitely lacked creativity, but we were also VERY unlucky with a couple of huge decisions so it wasn't completely our fault.

Still haven't lost in the league under Conte and overall look so much better. I'm feeling massively positive regardless of the result.

Southampton beat Liverpool and drew with city

Parklane Spur · Dec 28, 2021

slartibartfast said:
Sorry, my rant wasnt aimed at just your post and I should have made that clear.
Just does my head in the constant Son comments like he's not,as Adrian Durham would say 'all that."
He's one of the best footballers in Europe ffs.

Fair enough pal, my fault too for not adding the quote so no context on my post. Easily in our top two players along with Kane and like you said before, one of the few players that could definitely slot into any top 4 side and not look out of place ?

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