Match Threads Southampton Vs Spurs

[djhotspur]

The difference is for Liverpool it’s an outlier, 99% of the time they find a way for us we never look like we know how to break teams down.

its not easy but we have a team of runners, functional players lacking multi dimensional facets to their games and we need to recruit players who can contribute in more ways

They do but they’ve also drawn and lost a few games this season. They aren’t the team they were and even city have like against us.

The attempts were all pretty much straight at Forster, we didn’t create any guilt edged chances that left us kicking ourselves for missing. 22 attempts on goal and they were all pretty much half chances. The best opportunity fell to Borja? in injury time.

It did but also when your players are that tired they don’t perform at their best. The best chance fell to Moura from a great Doherty pass but Moura messed up the control due to tiredness I think.
to be honest we just take this, ref cost us the game and we move on.
We are still undefeated and there are a lot of games for us to go… more than half the season so let’s rest up now and beat Watford to get back to winning ways.
our squad isn’t good enough we know that but like many teams we are hampered by injuries and to be honest conte made mistakes and is clearly still learning about our squad. Alli was wasted out of position and the weird decision to play players on their wrong foot at wing backs was poor.
I don’t think winks was that bad but he struggled under the high press which a lot of players do but he still has a role I personally think and can provide a half decent bf squad option but it depends what conte wants.
I think we do need kessie personally as we could have rested hojberg yesterday who clearly wasn’t fit,

we came up against a well rested team on a small pitch that pressed high and kicked us off the park first half. The ref cost us the game and on a day if we were well rested and didn’t play 45 hours before I’m sure we would have won. But we live and learn.
we still haven’t had a pre season and we still need to change our squad to suit how we want to play and that is obvious.
Ndombele is clearly done, yesterday was perfect for him and he wasn’t trusted so we have to find a way to move him on and if we sell him for half of what we bought him for so be it, we need him out the club and his wages reinvested and if that is on kessie then fine.
we need Doherty replaced with a player who suits our formation and we clearly need a new striker and another wide option because berg needs moving on and Gil isn’t trusted or ready yet.
in that situation bringing on a bulldozer like vlahovic would have been perfect to help us get another goal.
We have to act like big club and sign good players, even though they’re below us I’m envious of Leicester’s recruitment, lookman was a great squad buy who was prem proven, daka was a cheap great option too and they also bought soumere who would suit our formation.
People are over reacting and this kind of game happens to every club. Southampton drew with city and should have won and beat Liverpool.

we are basically in January let’s see what our recruitment is and let’s keep the squad moving.

I personally think yesterday was a good thing, people were getting ahead of themselves even talking about they’re not sure where we need invest and how alli etc were good squad players blah blah, yet now it’s clear we have to move players on and continue our squad development.
we are still in touch with 4th, still have a semi final to come and are still undefeated under conte so let’s keep the spirits high and continue the development and if we finish 6th-4th it’s a great season for us.
COYS!

 

[djhotspur]

I don't understand how people are staying so calm. It was day light robbery. There isn't anything than can be done after the events but surly VAR and poor referring must be questioned by all PL clubs. Before VAR was introduced, I suggested its being brought in to support the bigger clubs in international, Europe and domestic football. I still believe this and days as yesterday are smoke screens to support poor decision in the future. There is no senisble reasoning for yesterdays poor decisions.

Because we got lucky with other decisions. Kane should be banned and had a straight red so shouldn’t be on the pitch anyway, which would have lead to us losing to Liverpool and probably being worse over the next few games.
bad decisions happen and the Kane one is very touch and go, as was the Doherty one.

 

[Aphex]

Last post on this before I consign this frustrating day to history, Southampton were really bang up for it. They really do always seem to raise their game against us. It’s like they have a rivalry with us as well. Anyway tough place to go. Roll on the January window!

 

[Albertbarich]

Because we got lucky with other decisions. Kane should be banned and had a straight red so shouldn’t be on the pitch anyway, which would have lead to us losing to Liverpool and probably being worse over the next few games.
bad decisions happen and the Kane one is very touch and go, as was the Doherty one.

I personally don't like moaning too much as it makes us sound like Liverpool.

The Doherty goal should have stood but I get it, refs never like keepers being touched and it wasn't a clear and obvious error.

I would like clarification on the offside though. He's feet which are surely what's important were way behind , so if it's his head then as only half his body is in front then surely it's level?

 

[Fredo]

Feel like we can all finally agree now (probably not) that Hojbjerg has no future being in our XI, simply just not good enough. Shying away from challenges, can't thread a decent pass, assist or score, but does a nice fist pump now and again.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

I don't understand how people are staying so calm. It was day light robbery. There isn't anything than can be done after the events but surly VAR and poor referring must be questioned by all PL clubs. Before VAR was introduced, I suggested its being brought in to support the bigger clubs in international, Europe and domestic football. I still believe this and days as yesterday are smoke screens to support poor decisions in the future. There is no sensible reasoning for yesterdays poor decisions.

It needs to be clear and transparent which its not. Wider lines for off side - where have they gone?

Yep, I know I need to let it go but the strikers should be getting the benefit of the doubt and he was equal with the defender playing him on. The goal should have stood and you could see even though Kane was trying to calm us down, it got Southampton's fans up again and we got nervy. Then again, the Doherty goal was fine too but keepers get ridiculous amounts of protection.

 

[Albertbarich]

Feel like we can all finally agree now (probably not) that Hojbjerg has no future being in our XI, simply just not good enough. Shying away from challenges, can't thread a decent pass, assist or score, but does a nice fist pump now and again.

I've heard he's a big fan of yours too.?

 

[bubble07]

XG suggests it and our eyes suggest it. That should have been a 1-3 result

 

[Serpico]

Because we got lucky with other decisions. Kane should be banned and had a straight red so shouldn’t be on the pitch anyway, which would have lead to us losing to Liverpool and probably being worse over the next few games.
bad decisions happen and the Kane one is very touch and go, as was the Doherty one.

yesterday and Kane are good examples of fudging the rules.
Its all too ambigiuos and the rules are not transparent enough. I also have concerns with who makes the call. Football and VAR could work very well but football is not going to entertain a 100% transparent accurate enforcement tool because it will be detrimental to the football narrative that makes the football world go round and a lot of money.

 

[tevezito]

As well as the inverted wingbacks, the other thing I didn't understand about the second half was why we didn't try our luck more from distance. I know we were never given the criminally neglihent amount of space that JWP was given for their goal, but even so the odd piledriver into the mix from Dier could have gone anywhere, and while it's Spursy to think they'd've rebounded straight out to Broja on the counter, they might just have ended up in Harry's lap or been parried back to an onrushing Sonny etc.

 

[walworthyid]

Loads of comments about the disallowed goals! We were a very long way from good enough! We were poor when they had 11 and even worse when they had 10.

Conte stuck with the 352 for too long when it just wasn't working. We mechanically went from side to side trying to create an overlap because we lack a creative passer. It was awful.

Unless we address the issues in the squad we will have more days like that.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Loads of comments about the disallowed goals! We were a very long way from good enough! We were poor when they had 11 and even worse when they had 10.

Conte stuck with the 352 for too long when it just wasn't working. We mechanically went from side to side trying to create an overlap because we lack a creative passer. It was awful.

Unless we address the issues in the squad we will have more days like that.

But the disallowed goals which were unlucky you can't discount - one of them was created by a lovely pass and goals change football matches. Southampton didn't need to come out and its always difficult to break sides down when they lay deep width and movement was the key in those situations and it always will be. We worked the width quite well at times Doherty got in a couple of times just got no left foot and if either of those goals had stood it becomes a different game

Awful I don't really agree with that frustrating yes and there is room for improvement of course but I don't think we will see a huge amount of change for a while yet

 

[walworthyid]

But the disallowed goals which were unlucky you can't discount - one of them was created by a lovely pass and goals change football matches. Southampton didn't need to come out and its always difficult to break sides down when they lay deep width and movement was the key in those situations and it always will be. We worked the width quite well at times Doherty got in a couple of times just got no left foot and if either of those goals had stood it becomes a different game

Awful I don't really agree with that frustrating yes and there is room for improvement of course but I don't think we will see a huge amount of change for a while yet

I'm not saying that the disallowed goals weren't significant. They obviously were. But it isn't like they were both absolutely nailed on goals. We should have put them under much more pressure than we did and created more chances. We were also second best before they went down to 10 men.

We have made so much progress and I think conte is getting the most out of our squad, but the lack of creativity is costing us at times. Unless teams come on to us we struggle to create anything.

We need a creative playmaker in midfield, I'm not sure how anybody can dispute that.

 

[goughie1966]

Traore would've been fun against 10 men for 45 minutes.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I'm not saying that the disallowed goals weren't significant. They obviously were. But it isn't like they were both absolutely nailed on goals. We should have put them under much more pressure than we did and created more chances. We were also second best before they went down to 10 men.

We have made so much progress and I think conte is getting the most out of our squad, but the lack of creativity is costing us at times. Unless teams come on to us we struggle to create anything.

We need a creative playmaker in midfield, I'm not sure how anybody can dispute that.

We obviously controlled the ball throughout the second half they were under plenty of pressure but it didn't result in enough chances but there was a bit of last gasp defending if not enough saves by the keeper but a goal would have changed the game.

i just don't think he will prioritise the creative midfielder it might come later but atm he wants a functional hard working team that will compete that's my view anyway - I think he will then look to fine tune things but his first priority is to get the shape and competitive edge right then look to develop the other parts as he moves forward to be honest I will take that at least it has a direction that I think I can understand which I didn't under the last two managers