Match Threads Nottingham Forest Vs Spurs

chrisd2k · Aug 28, 2022

spurs mental said:
I didn't say anything about complaining.

Just because you want us to control games more and have more of the ball doesn't mean we should do it.

We are controlling games, we don't concede space, that's how we're doing it. How many shots on target did Forest have today for all their possession?

My point is I don't think we were in control for large parts. There were multiple scrambles in the box.

How many shots did Forest have on target? Was it one? Not many. They are newly promoted and that's the area these teams always struggle with. Putting the ball in the net. If they had our front line, maybe that's not fair, a better front line they probably would have done better in that regard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy looking at the result, and at the table. But I'm concerned at how little good possession we have going forward from here. Didn't realise I'd be the big bad wolf in saying that.

Maybe it's Contes way, but I don't remember his Chelsea team in games like today playing in that way. In fact not having possession in a lot of ways hinders his system. This system is all about wingbacks advancing, the right and left CB advancing into midfield to create overloads so our attackers get more space. If we can't keep the ball they can't do that and we rely on our world class frontline to create something off the cuff which they are capable of to be fair but is less likely to bring long term success.

Conte himself was getting rattled with our use of the ball so Im not sure why so many disagree.

Anyway a win is a win.

Bluto Blutarsky · Aug 28, 2022

Chinaspur said:
Why did Kane get booked for this celebration?

I assume because they thought he went into the stands to celebrate - he obviously didn't.

But, watching this reminds me of one of my pet peeves - strikers who score and then run off to get the glory. Kane right away pointed to Richarlison for the great pass - without which there is no goal.

easley91 · Aug 28, 2022

Listening to interviews on SpursPLAY with Dier, Deki and Kane and all three say we can play a lot better with the ball. Love that mentality. Not just taking the win and being happy with it. Keep improving.

Serpico · Aug 28, 2022

sparx100 said:
When will we dominate? I don't think we have in any of our opening games. It is clearly a tactic but does invite teams on and does rely both on our defensive stability and our front 3. I would much prefer we stamp our authority on games especially on teams who have just been promoted and have signed about 17 new players.

Its how you see domination. You can invite teams on and still dominate the game. There will be games when we will over run teams.

spurs mental · Aug 28, 2022

chrisd2k said:
My point is I don't think we were in control for large parts. There were multiple scrambles in the box.

How many shots did Forest have on target? Was it one? Not many. They are newly promoted and that's the area these teams always struggle with. Putting the ball in the net. If they had our front line, maybe that's not fair, a better front line they probably would have done better in that regard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy looking at the result, and at the table. But I'm concerned at how little good possession we have going forward from here. Didn't realise I'd be the big bad wolf in saying that.

Maybe it's Contes way, but I don't remember his Chelsea team in games like today playing in that way. In fact not having possession in a lot of ways hinders his system. This system is all about wingbacks advancing, the right and left CB advancing into midfield to create overloads so our attackers get more space. If we can't keep the ball they can't do that and we rely on our world class frontline to create something off the cuff which they are capable of to be fair but is less likely to bring long term success.

Conte himself was getting rattled with our use of the ball so Im not sure why so many disagree.

Anyway a win is a win.

Yeah we didn't keep the ball well first half, same v Wolves last week but it improved. It will come, I have no worries about that. But while it's not there it's important for us to continue to keep our shape and not allow the opposition to have space, which we did well, in my opinion

chrisd2k · Aug 28, 2022

spurs mental said:
Yeah we didn't keep the ball well first half, same v Wolves last week but it improved. It will come, I have no worries about that. But while it's not there it's important for us to continue to keep our shape and not allow the opposition to have space, which we did well, in my opinion

Yep agree with that. Conte is still working with these players after all.

We had a few dicey moments there but we found common ground eventually ?

COYS

Dillspur · Aug 28, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
Not so sure about that mate, forest are much more difficult to play against than Bournemouth, especially away, sure if we’d taken chances it could’ve been 3,4 but was never going to be a 7,8,9-0 that’s disrespectful of Forest tbh.

I'm not sure they were, they played right into our hands, Kane could have had a hatrick inside 20 minutes, and the amount of room we had in the 2nd half down their left was insane.

Chinaspur · Aug 28, 2022

Alright - own up. Which one of you tools was it giving this awful bit of advice to Kane…?

Timberwolf · Aug 28, 2022

In 16-17 we played lovely, possession football under Poch.

I remember watching Chelsea under Conte every week as we tried to chase them down and marvelling at their ability to keep winning. Despite them never looking as 'pretty' as us, they were like a machine and just wouldn't stop getting results.

Personally, I'm absolutely fine with us not playing possession football provided we can get results. And if there's one thing Conte knows how to do, it's win.

As others have said, the whole point of our system is that when we DO create chances they're big ones. If you watch the highlights of Arsenal home vs Fulham compared to us away v Forest we got in far more good shooting and scoring positions, despite not dominating the ball.

Gb160 · Aug 28, 2022

Chinaspur said:
Alright - own up. Which one of you tools was it giving this awful bit of advice to Kane…?

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Tbh a miss was always coming, its been long overdue.
Much rather it come in a match where we won than for it to cost us points.
Now for another 21 successful penalties on the bounce.

Chinaspur · Aug 28, 2022

Gb160 said:
Tbh a miss was always coming, its been long overdue.
Happy for it to come in a match where we won, rather than for it to cost us points.
Now for another 21 successful penalties on the bounce.

So it was you!

punkisback · Aug 28, 2022

slartibartfast said:
I'm really not enjoying watching us play at all.
To think we nearly won that 3.0. Would have been daylight robbery.
We've absolute class upfront and the rest is painful to watch.

Unsure why you’re getting so many neg reps. This is no difference to some of the games we saw with mourinho. But because it’s conte he gets a pass.

Serpico · Aug 28, 2022

Dillspur said:
I'm not sure they were, they played right into our hands, Kane could have had a hatrick inside 20 minutes, and the amount of room we had in the 2nd half down their left was insane.

I lost count of the last second tackles on thier d, times they made professional fouls and their keeoer making saves.

spurs mental · Aug 28, 2022

punkisback said:
Unsure why you’re getting so many neg reps. This is no difference to some of the games we saw with mourinho. But because it’s conte he gets a pass.

It's absolutely different to Jose, and I was one of his bigger fans. But we let so many teams have all the space and time in the world when we defended our 18 yard line. We used to face shot after shot under him, and conceded goals.

Under Conte we aren't conceding big chances, and we aren't conceding goals. We might be giving up possession top easily but if you watch what happens when we don't have the ball, every single player knows where he should be, it's planned movement into space to stop the opposition occupying dangerous areas.

Plus our defenders can defend now, they couldn't under Jose.

slartibartfast · Aug 28, 2022

punkisback said:
Unsure why you’re getting so many neg reps. This is no difference to some of the games we saw with mourinho. But because it’s conte he gets a pass.

Doesn't matter. I'm not enjoying it. Nobody can tell me I am enjoying it lol.
I dont think we're as bad as under JM but giving up possesion and getting overun in midfield isnt going to get us very far imo.
We've got absolute class upfront and its papering over a lot of shite imo.
If Kane played for Forrest today they'd have won comfortably.

spurs mental · Aug 28, 2022

slartibartfast said:
Doesn't matter. I'm not enjoying it. Nobody can tell me I am enjoying it lol.
I dont think we're as bad as under JM but giving up possesion and getting overun in midfield isnt going to get us very far imo.
We've got absolute class upfront and its papering over a lot of shite imo.
If Kane played for Forrest today they'd have won comfortably.

No they wouldn't have. Their xG was less than 1, which shows how low quality all the chances they created were.

Gilzean at the near post · Aug 28, 2022

Great result and good that Harry is in the goals so early in the season

I have noticed one difference from last season which concerns me. When Conte joined Kane played in Beast mode where he constantly challenged and won 50/50 duels and retained possession for the side. This season Kane looks a little sluggish and nearly all 50/50's are not contested or lost. Son is just as bad. There's little point playing balls from defence to these two in the air as the ball will be lost. Richarlison has shown that you can challenge and win duels. Kane and Son need to start doing so

slartibartfast · Aug 28, 2022

spurs mental said:
No they wouldn't have. Their xG was less than 1, which shows how low quality all the chances they created were.

Pfft, xG whatever. I go with what I'm watching. Stats are bollox 99% of the time

It wouldnt have been the same with Kane playing for them so what has that got to do with it anyway?

Archibald&Crooks · Aug 28, 2022

punkisback said:
Unsure why you’re getting so many neg reps. This is no difference to some of the games we saw with mourinho. But because it’s conte he gets a pass.

No, that might be a small part of it but he's earning that. By and large i'd suggest it's because you can see improvement in results, the squad and a whole host of other things.

slartibartfast · Aug 28, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
No, that might be a small part of it but he's earning that. By and large i'd suggest it's because you can see improvement in results, the squad and a whole host of other things.

Think I need to clarify. I'm not making comparisons to how we were under Jose. Its far better. But we're still letting teams get on top of us, even poor teams we should be battering, and giving up possesion. I do think this is intentional but I dont have to like it or even understand it. Seems madness to me and I think we've been riding our luck a bit.
Hopefully we'll improve and get going soon as I cant see this being a long term plan. Hope not anyway.
But as bad as Jose, fk no.

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