Have we become 'Boring Boring Tottenham Hotspur' ?

IfiHadTheWings · Nov 10, 2022

easley91 said:
Seems to me you just want someone to agree with you and not like when they have a differing opinion. I already stated I enjoyed PARTS of the games. I agreed first halves lately on the whole have been sup par. But again what one person enjoys about football is different to someone else. I enjoy hard working defensive performances just as much as I enjoy front foot football, and as much as I enjoy grinding out last minute wins as well.

I don't want anyone to agree with me, i am stating that on the whole barring a few matches we have been boring... we all like the football when we are playing well but it has been few and far between on the whole we have been boring.

we have gone 2-0 down in 5 consecutive domestic games, we haven't scored a goal in the first half for 8 games. We have been slapped by any half decent team we have played and have been outplayed by inferior teams multiple times this season even when we have taken the points.

there is a reason why there is booing in the ground and it is not just because our fans are "entitled" the product being served up on the pitch is simply not good enough. I don't think thats debatable, yes there is mitigating factors but this isn't a new problem it has been going on all season so far.

easley91 · Nov 10, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
100% that is why it is great to know what the feeling is amongst our fans on here etc, how many of them are bored, how many are indifferent, how many like it etc etc, it is very subjective you're right.

I agree at the end of last season we played some good football and on their day Kulu Son and Kane can be bums off seats players and Bentancur is a Spurs type classy midfield player so its not all bad but on the whole the last 3 years overall and lately too often imo our style of play hasn't been good at all and that is coming from someone who does appreciate the tactical side of Conteball.

Interesting you think Richarlision is a bums off seats player, I think he's an effective hard working player but not particularly a bums off seat type of player.

Also agree there are many factors as to why lately we've not played as well as we can but overall the trend the last 3 years imo is that we are now seen as quite boring and that is not something I ever thought we would be associated with being, I hope post WC that perception changes.

But we weren't end of last season under this manager were we? Conte is capable of getting this squad playing that way. That is why I am okay with where we are, even with below par performances. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for this "boring" period, because he has kept us top 4 and topped our UCL group.

We may well continue this after the World Cup, but I genuinely believe that due to injuries we haven't been able to keep players as fresh and maybe in the backs of their minds they're trying to be ready and not miss the World Cup itself.

We're not the only side struggling. See Liverpool, United and Chelsea. Hell even West Ham have dropped off massively compared to last season.

spurmin · Nov 10, 2022

olliec said:
How can anyone not enjoy our second half vs Liverpool. If we can actually set off on the front foot like that we won’t be boring at all. Just give this man time, and the football will come with it.

I personally am not bored by our football. If I was I wouldn’t go or wouldn’t watch. But I do!

IfiHadTheWings · Nov 10, 2022

spurmin said:
I personally am not bored by our football. If I was I wouldn’t go or wouldn’t watch. But I do!

That might be the Spursholm syndrome talking mate :cautious:

Sophos151 · Nov 10, 2022

riggi said:
Everyone’s got their opinion but I personally think there are only a select amount of clubs who can be picky about the style of football. A club that hasn’t won anything since 2008 isn’t one of them.

We shouldn’t accept the Mourinho line that you have to play defensive football to win trophies. Not only has it never worked for us - we got closest under Poch, not Mourinho - it isn’t how the most successful teams play these days either.

Styopa · Nov 10, 2022

A cursory glance at recent winners of the league/domestic cups/Champions League suggests the majority of teams who are winning stuff do so playing an entertaining brand of football. OK the likes of Man City are an exception but Liverpool, Arsenal and Leicester have also won trophies the last few years.

Yantino · Nov 10, 2022

IfiHadTheWings said:
That is part of the frustration, we haven't looked like the same side as we were at the back end of last season even before the fixture build up/injuries.

I think that's more down to the manager's tactical approach for this unique season, to contain early (which the players have executed poorly) and dominate in the final 30 minutes (which the players have executed mostly well).

Athenspur · Nov 10, 2022

I am not bored at all with our football. Just disheartened and disappointed that it doesn't lead to winning. If anything, I believe that the 3 attackers formation is too wayward and ambitious for this team. We first have to become solid in defense and midfield, then go for there. The inability of our wing backs (except Perisic) to transition from defense to attack is what lets the team and the system down. Plus the obvious fatigue from not being able to rotate; physical and mental.
If the alternative to "boring" is the naive gung ho approach of Sherwood and Redknapp, sorry, I'll pass.

Dazza71 · Nov 10, 2022

If you think it's boring now just wait unti Sean Dyche takes over from Conte.

riggi · Nov 10, 2022

Sophos151 said:
We shouldn’t accept the Mourinho line that you have to play defensive football to win trophies. Not only has it never worked for us - we got closest under Poch, not Mourinho - it isn’t how the most successful teams play these days either.

I would like to see us go after it more. I also accept that our attacking options have been fairly limited of late.

For me I just want us to stop the stupid shit. Some of the mistakes we make are comical and annoyingly now very predictable.

mil1lion · Nov 10, 2022

Styopa said:
A cursory glance at recent winners of the league/domestic cups/Champions League suggests the majority of teams who are winning stuff do so playing an entertaining brand of football. OK the likes of Man City are an exception but Liverpool, Arsenal and Leicester have also won trophies the last few years.

Real Madrid are the best example of how good counter attacking football can be and successful doing so. To be fair our form back end of last season had us winning plenty and playing great football. We just need that consistency which is our issue when we pick up a few injuries and the quality drops off. I do think if we get back to that form it will be successful and exciting.

RuskyM · Nov 10, 2022

Yantino said:
We are in transition and part way through a much needed rebuild. It's frustrating but fans need to accept the reality of the situation - you cannot expect free flowing, exciting, winning football with such inferior squad players. Our first 11 players are excellent. Beyond that it's pretty poor and that's what we are seeing at the moment.

Our end to last season was far from boring as we had those 11 players available.

This is fair but I’m mostly thinking there hasn’t been a moment in the last twenty years where we haven’t been described as in transition.

wrd · Nov 10, 2022

olliec said:
How can anyone not enjoy our second half vs Liverpool. If we can actually set off on the front foot like that we won’t be boring at all. Just give this man time, and the football will come with it.

I did enjoy the second half but I can understand how people didn't. Watching your team start a half 2-0 down but going finally going for it is a bit like watching a film at the cinema when you've got caught in a monsoon on the way, what your witnessing would be enjoyable if it was without the context of being miserably soaked.

Archibald&Crooks · Nov 10, 2022

Boring? At times. Disappointing, yep, at times too. But i'm not sure anybody is denying that are they? Most of all this stems from people not defending it but offering up reasons for it, reasons to be patient and the other half not having that which then translates into 'you can't criticise Conte' and all sorts of other sub arguments that really aren't there. Of course you can fucking criticise Conte, but you have to temper it with some realism here.

"I don't want Conte out but" is another often seen line that comes out with as much hair on it as a Yak's left testicle. But fucking what? What is it you want? People to criticise Conte? Where does that road lead us? Yes, that's right, to Conte out. People defending him are asking for patience but if you ask for that it's not good enough, I really don't know what it is either side of the fence actually wants.

As usual, people take a position and will fight their nan naked to 'win'

Most of all of this stems from the refusal of people to give an inch. Yes, quite often it's been 'boring' and it's been frustrating but have a pop at the manager and people get anti, defend Conte and people shoot that down too. People pretend to understand it's a 'process' but at the same time this or that needs to be criticised and not defended. To what fucking end?

You either stick by the guy or come out with it and say you want rid.

I just don't think half of you have a fucking clue. I'm sorry, but there, I said it. You don't know what you're arguing for or against. You think you do.

But you don't.

And I was being kind with 'half'

haha that'll set the cat amongst the pigeons.

PS: Don't criticise the cat

GutBucket · Nov 10, 2022

Yeah it's boring, new fans who are looking at a club to support in 2022 will pick Arsenal, City, Leeds or Brighton, definitely not us. But it was fun last season and so was Conte's Inter. Almost all my friends are AC Milan fans and they were jealous when Conte was at Inter and still think he is top 5 coach in the world.

easley91 · Nov 10, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
Boring? At times. Disappointing, yep, at times too. But i'm not sure anybody is denying that are they? Most of all this stems from people not defending it but offering up reasons for it, reasons to be patient and the other half not having that which then translates into 'you can't criticise Conte' and all sorts of other sub arguments that really aren't there. Of course you can fucking criticise Conte, but you have to temper it with some realism here.

"I don't want Conte out but" is another often seen line that comes out with as much hair on it as a Yak's left testicle. But fucking what? What is it you want? People to criticise Conte? Where does that road lead us? Yes, that's right, to Conte out. People defending him are asking for patience but if you ask for that it's not good enough, I really don't know what it is either side of the fence actually wants.

As usual, people take a position and will fight their nan naked to 'win'

Most of all of this stems from the refusal of people to give an inch. Yes, quite often it's been 'boring' and it's been frustrating but have a pop at the manager and people get anti, defend Conte and people shoot that down too. People pretend to understand it's a 'process' but at the same time this or that needs to be criticised and not defended. To what fucking end?

You either stick by the guy or come out with it and say you want rid.

I just don't think half of you have a fucking clue. I'm sorry, but there, I said it. You don't know what you're arguing for or against. You think you do.

But you don't.

And I was being kind with 'half'

haha that'll set the cat amongst the pigeons.

PS: Don't criticise the cat

Basically we're going round in circles and honestly it's turning me off even discussing Tottenham at the moment. I'm starting to think I'll be better off just watching the games and that's it.

wrd · Nov 10, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
Boring? At times. Disappointing, yep, at times too. But i'm not sure anybody is denying that are they? Most of all this stems from people not defending it but offering up reasons for it, reasons to be patient and the other half not having that which then translates into 'you can't criticise Conte' and all sorts of other sub arguments that really aren't there. Of course you can fucking criticise Conte, but you have to temper it with some realism here.

"I don't want Conte out but" is another often seen line that comes out with as much hair on it as a Yak's left testicle. But fucking what? What is it you want? People to criticise Conte? Where does that road lead us? Yes, that's right, to Conte out. People defending him are asking for patience but if you ask for that it's not good enough, I really don't know what it is either side of the fence actually wants.

As usual, people take a position and will fight their nan naked to 'win'

Most of all of this stems from the refusal of people to give an inch. Yes, quite often it's been 'boring' and it's been frustrating but have a pop at the manager and people get anti, defend Conte and people shoot that down too. People pretend to understand it's a 'process' but at the same time this or that needs to be criticised and not defended. To what fucking end?

You either stick by the guy or come out with it and say you want rid.

I just don't think half of you have a fucking clue. I'm sorry, but there, I said it. You don't know what you're arguing for or against. You think you do.

But you don't.

And I was being kind with 'half'

haha that'll set the cat amongst the pigeons.

PS: Don't criticise the cat

You're suggesting that anybody who says they don't want Conte out but then have some critique are being disingenuous but I feel like I have to spell it out every post because people just assume I want him gone otherwise and I don't. I get it though, I do understand that people typically just complain because they're angry.

I know what I want when I criticise things and this applies to this situation with Conte and it's for things to improve and I don't accept the premise that things can only improve once he gets the signings he wants. No doubt in my mind things will improve with new signings but I don't like to kick the can down the road, some were willing to write off last season with 14 games left, I'm glad Conte didn't. I don't accept that premise when they're tangible options within the squad but I have accepted perhaps he's choosing his team based on long term goals and needs to be stubborn to force the hands that feed. I think he can improve things tactically also by how he approaches the intensity at different intervals.

I don't think he can improve things with what he currently has to the point where suddenly we're blowing teams away and we're gonna overthrow City but I'm a big fan of 1% incremental improvements and we don't seem to be even attempting any and personally I think there was the possibility for some improvements and for us to add some strings to our bow as we had to mitigate for Kulusevki and Richarlison being injured and I'm disappointed we didn't see some solutions found but as I said, I think Conte is doing it on purpose because he has a bigger picture in mind and I as a fan live in the now.

bc205 · Nov 10, 2022

wrd said:
I don't think he can improve things with what he currently has to the point where suddenly we're blowing teams away and we're gonna overthrow City but I'm a big fan of 1% incremental improvements and we don't seem to be even attempting any and personally I think there was the possibility for some improvements and for us to add some strings to our bow as we had to mitigate for Kulusevki and Richarlison being injured and I'm disappointed we didn't see some solutions found but as I said, I think Conte is doing it on purpose because he has a bigger picture in mind and I as a fan live in the now.

I can completely understand your frustration around this, but i think you're being a bit unrealistic here.

The kind of improvements you are talking about here normally come from having time on the training pitch and a balanced squad, with good options available off the bench.

But i think that the truncated fixture list, holes in our squad, and key injuries we've suffered mean that Conte just doesn't have the opportunities at the moment to work properly with the squad to get those incremental improvements.

It seems fairly likely to me that a lot of our key players are mentally and physically shattered at the moment. Conte is trying to navigate that while having to play a game every 3/4 days. Not to mention the huge pschycological blow of losing Ventrone. This was someone Conte has been close to for 20 odd years, it's bound to have an affect on him and the whole club.

If we're still in this situation come January/February then i'll be pretty worried as well. But i think we just have to show some more patience at the moment.

I'm still confident that the world cup break, and a few good additions in the January window, will make a big difference for us. We've seen how well Conte can get this team playing, and we owe it to him to have faith that he'll get us playing that way again.

StockSpur · Nov 10, 2022

i dont see boring when we play, i see a shit show of confusion, poor defending, brainfarting on a massive scale, players scared to play forward or even cross the ball in, non-existent attacking play and finishing.

fingersinc · Nov 10, 2022

StockSpur said:
i dont see boring when we play, i see a shit show of confusion, poor defending, brainfarting on a massive scale, players scared to play forward or even cross the ball in, non-existent attacking play and finishing.

You’re not wrong. Can’t remember which player it was but in the first half last night a player actually looked over at Conte like as if he needed permission not to play out from the back.

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