chrissivad
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Then the money needs to be put up to make them available, or find targets that are available.
No point in scouting players we will never sign.
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Then the money needs to be put up to make them available, or find targets that are available.
No point in scouting players we will never sign.
$hoguN
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Why is that always the case when it comes to us and isn’t for other teams. It’s not like other clubs haven’t strengthened at CB
Yapptiestrap
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Not for me it won’t. I criticise Levy and co. often enough. I want them out but I’m thinking rationally. Not everything is black and white.
Reality is though Levy and them lot think they’re doing no wrong. Its the same nodding dogs saying “yes Daniel” for 22 years. Any business gets new people with new ideas.
I guess, but when you pay whatever the cost for one position it limits our options in another, no?
Well, of course not, but we have to aim high to progress. I want us to try for the Bastonis, Gvardiols, Skriniars etc.
G Ron
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Ah ok. Sorry I missed that. Can’t keep up with all the incomings ?
Trix
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You have to pay for them, if you really want a player you have to pay above market value, or what you consider that to be. I'm convinced from what I heard we could have got Bastoni last Summer but it would have cost us to do so. If we aren't going to pay that fine, I get it completely so move the fuck on. Don't wait and see if the selling club will change their mind in the final week of the following window.
We knew we wanted Porro back in December, he didn't go to the world cup, so we had 2 months to sort this out, yet waited and waited until a couple of hours before the window closes. It's just really poor planning and execution, and it happens every window.
archiewasking
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I thought he was being sent back from his loan, apologies if I've got that wrong ??
Johnny J
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And everyone would like those players here. But there's an opportunity cost in aiming and failing to get them and no one else window after window, while Dier, Sanchez and Davies keep costing us.
cjbyid
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That second paragraph is extremely annoying to read, seems to happen alot with us and our dealings.
Although I agree we obviously seem to make it harder than most, I see other teams struggle with the same thing every window.
I can't recall us losing out on a CB we actually had a shot on in the last couple of windows? Bremer comes the closest, but I can't get upset for a player preferring Juve to us.
KaribYid
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The excuse in the summer will be that we have to spend 80m to make Porro/Kulusevski permanent so we can't spend the 100m+ that we'd need for two CBs and a GK. Oh, we also will need to sell GLC, Ndombele and all the other players surplus to requirements but we can't because the rest of Europe is skint.
No worries though, we'll see what we can do the following January.
There's a culture of excuse making that bleeds through our club and it reeks.
That's not to say some reasons aren't valid but HG quotas, Europe being skint etc are issues that affect every PL club and they deal with it. Yet window after window there's some reason why we can't get our business done.
Thanks, that puts it in a completely different light and I fully agree.
jolsnogross
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Discussing good windows and bad windows and never doing quite enough misses the point I think. We can only judge recruitment after the fact. Usually many months or even a season or two. And this one will be judged by whether Porro is who everyone thinks/hopes he is. And to a lesser extent, if Danjuma exceeds relatively minor expectations and shows some flair and end-product that gets him plenty of minutes and makes a difference.
We've had plenty of windows where we've splashed the cash, everyone gets carried away after deadline day, and it ends up a nothing burger. I remember when we signed Soldado - a goal machine for many seasons prior to Spurs - and it was a disaster. There are many other examples, most recently with N'dombele and Lo Celso not becoming the key midfield fulcrum of the side. Even last summer was decent, but plenty still to be done by the players in question (Richarlison, Bissouma) to suggest it was really successful.
So you can always lament what could have been and I don't think many of you would ever be satisfied in real time during a window. But if Porro is a mainstay of our side for 4-5 seasons ahead, this will have been a spectacularly successful window. It's such a glaring deficiency to have sub-par play down our right: if he fixes it, we'll have filled a massive gap and the window will be looked back on as a real gem.
We've had plenty of windows where we've splashed the cash, everyone gets carried away after deadline day, and it ends up a nothing burger. I remember when we signed Soldado - a goal machine for many seasons prior to Spurs - and it was a disaster. There are many other examples, most recently with N'dombele and Lo Celso not becoming the key midfield fulcrum of the side. Even last summer was decent, but plenty still to be done by the players in question (Richarlison, Bissouma) to suggest it was really successful.
So you can always lament what could have been and I don't think many of you would ever be satisfied in real time during a window. But if Porro is a mainstay of our side for 4-5 seasons ahead, this will have been a spectacularly successful window. It's such a glaring deficiency to have sub-par play down our right: if he fixes it, we'll have filled a massive gap and the window will be looked back on as a real gem.
chrissivad
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If we have a limited transfer funds it can. But we have needed at least 1 (really 2) CB's for at least 2 windows under Conte and only hane Lenglet in on loan.
We can keep trying for Bastoni, Gvardiol ect, but we are stuck with Davies and Dier each window we can't get anyone.
rossdapep
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Its why we wont be winners.
Winners dont give excuse after excuse.
They talk about mistakes and what they need to do better
I havent heard Levy or ENIC once take that approach, in fact they seem a bit oblivious to the shortcomings
Trix
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Not true at all if you go into a window with a plan of reinforcing with a CB, RWF cover and a RWB and you end up with just one of those positions covered and a LWF who fell in your lap it's a pretty poor window, because you haven't executed your plan.
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Yet they’ll argue - with some merit - that they’ve made the club the 9th richest club in the world from an innocuous PL mid-table struggler.
As for the winners bit, absolutely agree.
jolsnogross
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Fair enough, but executing the plan is only as good as the recruiter's judgement on player quality, not player quantity. We're not in a position to throw money at several options to see what works out. If they've not pulled the trigger on a CB, I'm ok with it since a poor CB, like Sanchez, sets us back for seasons more. We have executed the plan previously in terms of big money signings for key positions and they've been a disaster (examples in prior comment that nobody was unhappy about when they were signed). It's worse than signing nobody, because you've gummed up the works for upcoming windows by having high earners you can't shift.
Ultimately, it's a judgement issue rather than a numbers issue. I can't recall us ever sorting out 3 positions in one window ever. I don't know why anyone would think that could start now. If Porro kills it and that position is fully resolved, everyone should be more than happy with this window.
Trix
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I don't think it will start now, and that's why we will always be also ran's under Levy. Clubs that have ambition do exactly this. Not every window but certainly every now and then. As you rightly say, "we never have".
