Piero Hincapie

[Timberwolf]

Yeah so when they were performing very good it's because Conte but when they are performing poorly it's only on players? We just declined under Conte in last few months, our attacking stats are worse too.


I think that only proves @JUSTINSIGNAL point about Conte rating them

I don't think it's all on the players and Conte deserves a share of the blame, but I also think there's a limit to which you can raise the level of players like Dier, Davies, Sanchez and Lenglet. Let's be real - these players are mid-table/bottom half quality.

Romero is our only top quality CB these days and with Lloris officially past it, we have to seriously upgrade at the back.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Come on, I mean you are right to a certain extent. You can’t be happy with us starting Davies and Dier? Two players who couldn’t get a game in the CB position for Poch and haven’t improved much and are now starting all the time?

If we could have got one of our top targets for CB then yes I would have been happy to sign them. Dier, Davies and Lenglet are perfectly fine to see us through to the end the season. Dier and Davies were part of a solid defence that saw us get top 4 last season so they have it in them to perform at the level required.

My point is we’re really not in a crisis situation.

 

[Timberwolf]

If we could have got one of our top targets for CB then yes I would have been happy to sign them. Dier, Davies and Lenglet are perfectly fine to see us through to the end the season. Dier and Davies were part of a solid defence that saw us get top 4 last season so they have it in them to perform at the level required.

My point is we’re really not in a crisis situation.

I wouldn't say it's a total crisis, but when a manager overperforms with a limited squad, that doesn't suddenly mean those players are top 4 quality.

It's that mentality that allowed Levy to let our midfield drop to the pitiful levels of a Winks/Sissoko CM2. That pairing may have got us to a Champions League final, but my god, its a miracle that they did.

January really is a tricky market and I'm not sure blowing a ton of cash on a raw young LCB that is specifically suited to a back 3 was going to fix all of our problems. But in 2 windows we certainly should've done more at CB - Lenglet wasn't enough.

 

[daveduvet]

Doesn't matter who our manager is, the entire defence apart from Romero needs replacing

Arguably.. but why invest shedloads if a possible new manager arrives with different ideas? Dier was awesome last season - often voted on here as motm …
I think we haven’t invested in this position in January - via contes choices - because we can’t know whether he’ll be here for sure come summer. Porro is invested in cos he’s a great player regardless… only my two cents worth

 

[$hoguN]

If we could have got one of our top targets for CB then yes I would have been happy to sign them. Dier, Davies and Lenglet are perfectly fine to see us through to the end the season. Dier and Davies were part of a solid defence that saw us get top 4 last season so they have it in them to perform at the level required.

My point is we’re really not in a crisis situation.

Difference is that Lloris is now more error prone as he ages which means that they are more nervous and make more mistakes

 

[Stamford]

Jan left in the summer of 2020, Toby the following summer and before then they were playing less and less. To not spend big money to replace them is utterly criminal especially as the people in their positions are their back ups.

The attitude that this is somehow acceptable is why we dont win anything

 

[HildoSpur]

Arguably.. but why invest shedloads if a possible new manager arrives with different ideas? Dier was awesome last season - often voted on here as motm …
I think we haven’t invested in this position in January - via contes choices - because we can’t know whether he’ll be here for sure come summer. Porro is invested in cos he’s a great player regardless… only my two cents worth

Dier was ok last season, certainly not awesome. Would he start for any of our rivals? No chance. We obviously need a new keeper as well. So that's two for a start needed and at a top level. This has nothing to do with Conte staying or not.

 

[JR1994]

IN YOUR OPINION.

By all accounts Conte rates Dier. We signed Lenglet to cover us for a season until one of the centre backs we are targeting become available.

It really isn’t the crisis you make it out to be.

Missed the part I said it’s a crisis. It’s clearly an area of weakness that we aren’t addressing and it’s annoying. IMO we seem to just keep kicking the can down the road rather than biting the bullet and paying slightly over odds to address a key area.

Come the summer Levy will want to balance the books with sales and history tells us it will hamper our window yet again.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I think I intimated to your good self before (?) - there’s a lack of confidence from levy & gang that Conte will be here longer term.

Yeah, looking at what we have done it really isn’t a big jump to read that the business we accomplished doesn’t signify Conte is staying. An opportunistic non committal loan and a high quality RWB upgrade that was much needed and can probably play in a back 4. Hardly screams long term commitment imo. I think the fact we backed out from the Zaniolo deal pretty much sums up our level of belief he will still be here next season. Assuming that is he was still Conte’s primary attacking target at the start of the window.

 

[Timberwolf]

Difference is that Lloris is now more error prone as he ages which means that they are more nervous and make more mistakes

It's slightly ironic given how much chat there is around our problems at CB, but replacing Lloris in Jan would've been the biggest defensive upgrade we could've made. His individual errors have cost us more goals this season than any of our CBs (and probably all of them combined).

Hard to buy keepers in Jan though, it seems.

 

[daveduvet]

Difference is that Lloris is now more error prone as he ages which means that they are more nervous and make more

Dier was ok last season, certainly not awesome. Would he start for any of our rivals? No chance. We obviously need a new keeper as well. So that's two for a start needed and at a top level. This has nothing to do with Conte staying or not.

Ok. I don’t fully agree… but that’s alright. I’m not gonna trawl out stats to undermine; but I do seem to recall that Dier was voted player of the season on this site. Happy (relatively ?) to be corrected

 

[HildoSpur]

It's slightly ironic given how much chat there is around our problems at CB, but replacing Lloris in Jan would've been the biggest defensive upgrade we could've made. His individual errors have cost us more goals this season than any of our CBs (and probably all of them combined).

Hard to buy keepers in Jan though, it seems.

Impossible to get a keeper in January I'd say, who the hell would sell their number one in the middle of a season?

 

[daveduvet]

Yeah, looking the business we have done it really isn’t a big jump to read that the business we have done doesn’t signify Conte is staying. An opportunistic non committal loan and a high quality RWB upgrade that was much needed and can probably play in a back 4. Hardly screams long term commitment imo. I think the fact we backed out from the Zaniolo deal pretty much sums up our level of belief he will still be here next season. Assuming that is he was still Conte’s primary attacking target at the start of the window.

Yeep… shame… but the fickle nature of spurs recruiting programme is still loud & clear. And, yes, Zaniolo not signed given the Conte call reeks of a controlling chairman/board. Hey. Who knows what’s really happens in Daniels panelled den - all I do know via folk that know him is that he is a warm & generous spirited individual in his personal life.

 

[bbunc]

I wish we’d have signed a CB that was an immediate upgrade, but that’s really hard in January.

Hincapie was never a realistic option this month outside of an extortionate fee (why would a BL sell a starting CB under long term contract mid-season ) and I’m not 100% sure he’s actually an immediate upgrade over Davies/Lenglet over the next 4 months. Long term, sure, but immediately - I don’t think that’s an absolute given.

Furthermore, if Conte hasn’t given any string signal his intent is to stay, I’m not sure we want to spend a ton this window on a specialist LCB with big ?s as to whether he can play in a back 4.

it is a lot to do in the summer, but that was always going to be the case.

We improved significantly at RWB and in attack this window. Danjuma is a huge upgrade over Gil.

Outside of Chelsea spending $ like a drunken sailor, which team in Europe improved more this window than we did?

 

[N'Obody]

Is there a chance we could still sign a CB from the prem, seeing as window shuts at 11pm. Not expecting for anything else to happen but you never know.

 

[archiewasking]

Yes I know it's a stretch..... But. What if Rodon back from loan really impresses in training? Could solve one of our CB problems and save us a big wedge of money???

 

[Snarfalicious]

Yes I know it's a stretch..... But. What if Rodon back from loan really impresses in training? Could solve one of our CB problems and save us a big wedge of money???

That's the spirit!

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Yes I know it's a stretch..... But. What if Rodon back from loan really impresses in training? Could solve one of our CB problems and save us a big wedge of money???

You sure you support Spurs? Way too much optimism for my liking.

 

[McFlash]

Not at the price they were quoting. 80 mil for him? I’m not convinced on him at all.

Bringing this here so as not to clog up the itk thread.

The news of the price being 80m came out before we made our supposed bid and I don't believe it at all, no way would they get (or demand) that much for him.
Plus, if that was the price, we wouldn't have spent 2 days wasting our time on him.
I think he was gettable and at a reasonable price, the problem was that we moved too late and Lever couldn't get a replacement in time.
They've failed on two attempts over the last two days iirc.

 

[Trix]

If we could have got one of our top targets for CB then yes I would have been happy to sign them. Dier, Davies and Lenglet are perfectly fine to see us through to the end the season. Dier and Davies were part of a solid defence that saw us get top 4 last season so they have it in them to perform at the level required.

My point is we’re really not in a crisis situation.

You are right it isn't a crisis, it's just "meh".

You are also right in what you say regarding not being able to get our top CB targets then we shouldn't just buy anyone. The thing is we couldn't get them in the last window, or the window before that either. At what point do you say to yourself, why not? Why do we go numerous windows unable to get our priority targets?

These players were players we wanted in the Summer, how have we got to deadline day 6 months on before we know we couldn't get them again, and again, and again?