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Albertbarich

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Matt Law also says in this that the club declined to comment on our manager search until the outcome of the Paratici case is clearer.
So how does he know we’re planning on talking to Enrique?
Looks like nobody knows what’s going on and are guessing.
If I were Enrique's agent knowing my client wants the Chelsea job Id absolutely be leaking more interest in my client to the chavs favourite pet journo.
 

jpascavitz

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Enrique is massively underrated on here for some reason. Associated with short termism when there is nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be willing to stay for a while at his next club. He’s younger than prototype project manager Ten Hag ffs. Coaches high pressing possession football (and before people say it’s boring, it’s how Pep’s City play and they are the best club side in Prem history) which is exactly what we need. Has an aura/stature to excite the fans and command authority in the dressing room. Top appointment.
It's due to two reasons I believe:

• Per his wikipedia page, "In his third and final year, struggling for form and results, the manager switched to a 3–4–3 offense morphing into a 4–4–2 defensive shape, reminiscent of Antonio Conte's Premier League winners Chelsea more than Johan Cryuff's Dream Team, with Messi at the top of a midfield diamond, acting as chief play-maker, and Sergio Busquets, the sole holding defensive midfielder, responsible for breaking the first-line of opposition press.

The system favoured Neymar in particular, who played as a left forward, often cutting inside to link with lone striker Suárez, or to create an overload in the final-third sharing creative responsibilities with Messi. This change in formation was instrumental as they overcame 0–4, the biggest first-leg deficit in Champions League history, by defeating PSG 6–1 in the second-leg; however, the physical and tactical discipline required to sustain a 3–4–3 proved controversial."

• Many people liken his Barca side to having Messi, Neymar, and Suarez all during some incredible personal years. Yes we have Kane and Son for now, but I think many supporters are ready for some sort of rebuild and can he do/manage through that? Other than that, most have seen his Spain sides have 99.9% possession, yet fail to get the few goals to finish sides off.

I personally have not seen enough of his sides to have an opinion, but likely where the assumptions come from.
 

GioW

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Not sure why but can't help feeling that a slot or a Kompany would end up being the better appointment.

Obviously aware of Enrique's career and backed up by wikipedia but don't claim to be hugely knowledgeable on him so open to changing my mind..

Either way, nice to have news
 

Chimbo!

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Matt Law also says in this that the club declined to comment on our manager search until the outcome of the Paratici case is clearer.
So how does he know we’re planning on talking to Enrique?
Looks like nobody knows what’s going on and are guessing.
I think he has pretty good sources either inside the club or with people very close to the club. He broke the news about Conte’s departure. In fact, I’d say he’s probably the most ITK journo out there when it comes to Spurs. He gets the most scoops.
 

bubble07

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Enrique is massively underrated on here for some reason. Associated with short termism when there is nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be willing to stay for a while at his next club. He’s younger than prototype project manager Ten Hag ffs. Coaches high pressing possession football (and before people say it’s boring, it’s how Pep’s City play and they are the best club side in Prem history) which is exactly what we need. Has an aura/stature to excite the fans and command authority in the dressing room. Top appointment.

Not sure why but I'm one of those that just can't see him being good here but can't really give a good enough reason
 

jbstarr14

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Question I've regularly pondered. If Levy went to Poch can you manage us until the summer and then we can reassess would he have said yes or no

I'm certain he would have galvanised the side short term to get us 4th
I think he’d have (rightly) told us to get fucked. 👍
 

St José Dominguez

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Enrique doesn’t feel right to me because he feels like a manager who should be going to a club that is aiming to win things. He feels like a Conte or Jose but plays good football. Someone who’ll get frustrated at not getting what he wants and likely be gone in 18months. One man is to blame for this but it is what it is and we’re likely better off getting a coach on the upward who’ll be more patient in terms of signings and us not competing for things etc.
 

Hotspur88

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No Poch then according to the Athletic, as they have been maintaining on COYS and then here for most of the year. Obviously Levy isn't quite as desperate as it seems. If Chelsea don't go for Nagelsmann (I don't reckon they will) then I suspect he is top of the list and I would be happy with that. I wanted him when Poch went and when Mourinho went too. I think he'd get a tune out of us.
I've told everyone no Poch for months now, this really shouldn't be new news.
 

Hotspur88

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we want Slot...hope
Wouldn't pay much attention to a random report from Holland. Last I heard, he was certainly very interested so unless something has drastically changed, I struggle to see why his stance would have changed.

Not sure what's currently going on, haven't heard much recently. Interesting that Enrique is still being mentioned when he was one of the first two names I heard a good while back when I posted on here.
 

C0YS

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It's due to two reasons I believe:

• Per his wikipedia page, "In his third and final year, struggling for form and results, the manager switched to a 3–4–3 offense morphing into a 4–4–2 defensive shape, reminiscent of Antonio Conte's Premier League winners Chelsea more than Johan Cryuff's Dream Team, with Messi at the top of a midfield diamond, acting as chief play-maker, and Sergio Busquets, the sole holding defensive midfielder, responsible for breaking the first-line of opposition press.

The system favoured Neymar in particular, who played as a left forward, often cutting inside to link with lone striker Suárez, or to create an overload in the final-third sharing creative responsibilities with Messi. This change in formation was instrumental as they overcame 0–4, the biggest first-leg deficit in Champions League history, by defeating PSG 6–1 in the second-leg; however, the physical and tactical discipline required to sustain a 3–4–3 proved controversial."

• Many people liken his Barca side to having Messi, Neymar, and Suarez all during some incredible personal years. Yes we have Kane and Son for now, but I think many supporters are ready for some sort of rebuild and can he do/manage through that? Other than that, most have seen his Spain sides have 99.9% possession, yet fail to get the few goals to finish sides off.

I personally have not seen enough of his sides to have an opinion, but likely where the assumptions come from.
Its a common opinion in barca that he made them 'ugly' but highly misleading. He moved Barca away from pire tiki taka and into something more practical that suited his players more, but it was still largely possession based "proactive" football. He did very well in barca tbh amd was much better at Roma than people give him credit for.

I also think he did a relatively good job at Spain. Spain biggest problem is the players are either too young or too old. You have high potential players and past it players, erratic results being a natural consequence of those players.

The main reason he got the sack after the world cup is a vocal part of the media hated him. Largely because of his unconventional approach to the press. And frankly untraditional practices, such as changing the kits to all red and doing live twitch interviews directly with fans bypassing traditional means of communication. Which in spain, symbolic things like these count for more than they should. He also wasnt liked by some for not calling Ramos up, which tbh was the correct call.

I also think his time at Roma, while not good wasnt a disaster as some might imagine. He played good stuff and Roma were in a difficult transitional place. But its hard to see his time there as anything other than a disappointment.

The reason I'm unsure about him is principally that the way he sets up his teams require players we simply don't have, and a lot of them. I think it would be hard for him to succeed here in the short term, or even mid term. He would have to be backed with a complete overhaul and overauls are generally poor way of rebuilding teams and normally end in disaster, although often with long term benefits. In other words. If he comes in and we try and build a team in his vision it will probably be whoever replaces him that will reap the rewards (not dissimilar from Ramos and Redknapp).

If we are thinking strategically, and if we want to move to a more possession style of football we need someone who can do that while also being able to deal with the current strengths and weaknesses of the team. And this probably will be a manger whose happy to have more of a workmanlike midfield, attacking players built on explosivity, like son, rather than creativity etc. You can add the missing attributes. But not over night.
 

HedgieSpur

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Its a common opinion in barca that he made them 'ugly' but highly misleading. He moved Barca away from pire tiki taka and into something more practical that suited his players more, but it was still largely possession based "proactive" football. He did very well in barca tbh amd was much better at Roma than people give him credit for.

I also think he did a relatively good job at Spain. Spain biggest problem is the players are either too young or too old. You have high potential players and past it players, erratic results being a natural consequence of those players.

The main reason he got the sack after the world cup is a vocal part of the media hated him. Largely because of his unconventional approach to the press. And frankly untraditional practices, such as changing the kits to all red and doing live twitch interviews directly with fans bypassing traditional means of communication. Which in spain, symbolic things like these count for more than they should. He also wasnt liked by some for not calling Ramos up, which tbh was the correct call.

I also think his time at Roma, while not good wasnt a disaster as some might imagine. He played good stuff and Roma were in a difficult transitional place. But its hard to see his time there as anything other than a disappointment.

The reason I'm unsure about him is principally that the way he sets up his teams require players we simply don't have, and a lot of them. I think it would be hard for him to succeed here in the short term, or even mid term. He would have to be backed with a complete overhaul and overauls are generally poor way of rebuilding teams and normally end in disaster, although often with long term benefits. In other words. If he comes in and we try and build a team in his vision it will probably be whoever replaces him that will reap the rewards (not dissimilar from Ramos and Redknapp).

If we are thinking strategically, and if we want to move to a more possession style of football we need someone who can do that while also being able to deal with the current strengths and weaknesses of the team. And this probably will be a manger whose happy to have more of a workmanlike midfield, attacking players built on explosivity, like son, rather than creativity etc. You can add the missing attributes. But not over night.

Great post...in addition he did really well at Celta, got them playing some fantastic stuff.
 

Hotspur33

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Slot beating PSV and Ajax to the title is pretty impressive. As well as a deep run in the Europa. Never heard of him before we fired Conte, but I'd be happy to see him get the job.
For me, his relative ‘unknown’ profile is a massive plus. I’ve seen this forum whipped up into a frenzy of excitement over the appointment of Jose and Conte.
Having someone come out the blue should temper expectations of the fans, and there wont be all the preconceptions around his style of play, personality or suitability.

current order of preference:-

Poch
Slot
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.Kompany
Nagelsmann
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Rogers (I know)
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Everyone else linked
 

jpascavitz

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Its a common opinion in barca that he made them 'ugly' but highly misleading. He moved Barca away from pire tiki taka and into something more practical that suited his players more, but it was still largely possession based "proactive" football. He did very well in barca tbh amd was much better at Roma than people give him credit for.

I also think he did a relatively good job at Spain. Spain biggest problem is the players are either too young or too old. You have high potential players and past it players, erratic results being a natural consequence of those players.

The main reason he got the sack after the world cup is a vocal part of the media hated him. Largely because of his unconventional approach to the press. And frankly untraditional practices, such as changing the kits to all red and doing live twitch interviews directly with fans bypassing traditional means of communication. Which in spain, symbolic things like these count for more than they should. He also wasnt liked by some for not calling Ramos up, which tbh was the correct call.

I also think his time at Roma, while not good wasnt a disaster as some might imagine. He played good stuff and Roma were in a difficult transitional place. But its hard to see his time there as anything other than a disappointment.

The reason I'm unsure about him is principally that the way he sets up his teams require players we simply don't have, and a lot of them. I think it would be hard for him to succeed here in the short term, or even mid term. He would have to be backed with a complete overhaul and overauls are generally poor way of rebuilding teams and normally end in disaster, although often with long term benefits. In other words. If he comes in and we try and build a team in his vision it will probably be whoever replaces him that will reap the rewards (not dissimilar from Ramos and Redknapp).

If we are thinking strategically, and if we want to move to a more possession style of football we need someone who can do that while also being able to deal with the current strengths and weaknesses of the team. And this probably will be a manger whose happy to have more of a workmanlike midfield, attacking players built on explosivity, like son, rather than creativity etc. You can add the missing attributes. But not over night.

Awesome points, and thank you for the insights and information.

Yeah I'm not against Enrique, but I think your point on him given time for a complete overhaul is key because IMO may be shorter than a Slot, Kompany, or Ange type. For some reason, I think many will associate Enrique with short-term and medium-term success.

I mean, even under Poch, I feel like everything started to go our way, finishing his first season 5th and using that as a springboard for four straight seasons of top 4. How often do you get a player like Kane booming on to the scene at the start of a rebuild as well?! Yes he made some tough decisions and overturned a lot of players, but I think my biggest worry for the next manager is that those transitions that you mentioned could take more than just one season.
 

Beefyboy

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I always consider myself glass half full but are we honestly only at "planning to contact" manager stage like matt law said, or due diligence stage like the Athletic said. I mean really? Chelsea have already spoken to JN and Enrique by several tier 1s and we are still doing background checks?

I guess either its true and in that case it's cos we are waiting on Paratici. Or the club are just letting nothing out and it's just journos speaking loosely and regurgitating the same info.

I pray it's the latter but knowing us think it's probably the former. If true them we are just sooooo slooooow, it's like trying to get a toddler to do something and it takes 10 times longer than it should.
 

robertgoulet

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Its a common opinion in barca that he made them 'ugly' but highly misleading. He moved Barca away from pire tiki taka and into something more practical that suited his players more, but it was still largely possession based "proactive" football. He did very well in barca tbh amd was much better at Roma than people give him credit for.

I also think he did a relatively good job at Spain. Spain biggest problem is the players are either too young or too old. You have high potential players and past it players, erratic results being a natural consequence of those players.

The main reason he got the sack after the world cup is a vocal part of the media hated him. Largely because of his unconventional approach to the press. And frankly untraditional practices, such as changing the kits to all red and doing live twitch interviews directly with fans bypassing traditional means of communication. Which in spain, symbolic things like these count for more than they should. He also wasnt liked by some for not calling Ramos up, which tbh was the correct call.

I also think his time at Roma, while not good wasnt a disaster as some might imagine. He played good stuff and Roma were in a difficult transitional place. But its hard to see his time there as anything other than a disappointment.

The reason I'm unsure about him is principally that the way he sets up his teams require players we simply don't have, and a lot of them. I think it would be hard for him to succeed here in the short term, or even mid term. He would have to be backed with a complete overhaul and overauls are generally poor way of rebuilding teams and normally end in disaster, although often with long term benefits. In other words. If he comes in and we try and build a team in his vision it will probably be whoever replaces him that will reap the rewards (not dissimilar from Ramos and Redknapp).

If we are thinking strategically, and if we want to move to a more possession style of football we need someone who can do that while also being able to deal with the current strengths and weaknesses of the team. And this probably will be a manger whose happy to have more of a workmanlike midfield, attacking players built on explosivity, like son, rather than creativity etc. You can add the missing attributes. But not over night.
Need to mark this just in case we hire him, provides me with something to talk myself off the ledge.
 
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