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daveduvet

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Now it's Spursonal said:
Very interesting story behind him actually. He was previously working under Tony Bloom at Brighton, who made all his money from a statistical analytics company used to beat the bookies gambling.

The Brentford owner then basically just stole this whole idea from Tony Bloom and made his own similar company. And then went on to copy Tony Blooms entire Brighton setup at Brentford.
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Was always under the impression Bloom & Brentford guy were once business partners but fell out?
 
rabbikeane

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Mason would do fine, we're too focused on finding a savior for that role.
More important is getting a competent DoF and set a strategy to reach our goals, which heavily depend on successful transfers. Need to build a functioning sporting organization.
 
Tucker

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I will ask again. Have any of the big clubs competing at the top end of their leagues on a regular basis implemented this kind of data driven approach?

Or is it just the money ball Brentford, Brighton level clubs?

It’s obviously been successful for them to help them punch above their weight somewhat. Would that translate to the level above?
 
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Tucker said:
I will ask again. Have any of the big clubs competing at the top end of their leagues on a regular basis implemented this kind of data driven approach?

Or is it just the money ball Brentford, Brighton level clubs?

It’s obviously been successful for them to help them punch above their weight somewhat. Would that translate to the level above?
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Liverpool
 
Johnny J

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Tucker said:
I will ask again. Have any of the big clubs competing at the top end of their leagues on a regular basis implemented this kind of data driven approach?

Or is it just the money ball Brentford, Brighton level clubs?

It’s obviously been successful for them to help them punch above their weight somewhat. Would that translate to the level above?
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Liverpool certainly used a data led approach under Edwards when buying, say, Robertson.
www.thisisanfield.com

How Liverpool’s expert data analysis unearthed Robertson

Incredible insight into an inspired signing!
www.thisisanfield.com www.thisisanfield.com
 
kursaal

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kursaal said:
I've come around to giving it to Ryan Mason on the proviso he can get us into Europe AND his best mate Harry Kane is willing to sign a new deal.

We've tried these managers who think they are doing us a favour and then play mind numbingly dull football trying to sneak a result.

Get a top Director of Football in and let Ryan coach/manage the team. Just like Arthur Rowe and Bill Nicholson, Mason is Tottenham through and through. He's got the necessary football licences, he knows the club, senior players, young prospects and the supporters yearning for success through and through.

People will say he's not got the experience but he's played for the club and coached at various levels.

He's the project manager we need.
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Not going well for me here but I'm reminded of when a four year old Beethoven first walked across to a piano. Everyone laughed and they were to - he couldn't lift it.
 
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Tucker said:
I will ask again. Have any of the big clubs competing at the top end of their leagues on a regular basis implemented this kind of data driven approach?

Or is it just the money ball Brentford, Brighton level clubs?

It’s obviously been successful for them to help them punch above their weight somewhat. Would that translate to the level above?
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Data driven approach is not a silver bullet. I don't think that BD is following this path or Red Bull's clubs. On top of that, if my memory serves me well, Kevin Wimmer with N'Jie and N'Koudou were selected by the black box of Mitchell. It seems, that it is a kind of gambling approach. You need an experienced scout to evaluate the players in South America, for example.
 
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Don’t all clubs use data analysis to identify signings ect? Just maybe Brighton/Brentford get associated with it more because of how welll they’ve done and where they come from and in Brighton’s case they heavily use the South American market.
 
SpursSince1980

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Tucker said:
I will ask again. Have any of the big clubs competing at the top end of their leagues on a regular basis implemented this kind of data driven approach?

Or is it just the money ball Brentford, Brighton level clubs?

It’s obviously been successful for them to help them punch above their weight somewhat. Would that translate to the level above?
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But it isn’t one thing or other , right? It is just a larger part of their recruitment approach than other teams. Moneyball isn’t a substitute for scouting. It’s an ad on. Some believe it. Some don’t.
 
HoltbiusMac

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Yiddo100 said:
Don’t all clubs use data analysis to identify signings ect? Just maybe Brighton/Brentford get associated with it more because of how welll they’ve done and where they come from and in Brighton’s case they heavily use the South American market.
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I think they all use it now but it’s using it and using it well. I doubt any PL team is purely using data or purely using the eye test method any more but you have to tie them together.

Going to a match and being impressed with a player shouldn’t be a good test unless you know what you’re looking for based on data. For example if you want a central defender and the data guys ask your scouts to go check them out because they score highly on metrics for passing out the back or winning headers it’s then up to the scouts to ascertain why that is. Is that player excelling because of the league they play in or is there a formation or personnel within the team they play for which allows them to do that?

At the same time your scouts should be picking up players from lower down that they can highlight to your data guys who can then dig into whether the scout just watched a particularly good match or have they spotted a gem.

What this needs is proper organisational structure, an understanding of the methods and an agreement on the type of team you’re trying to build.

What it absolutely does not need is opportunistic purchases lead by agents or because somebody higher up in the club likes the look of a player and decides to buy them.
 
danielneeds

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Tucker said:
I will ask again. Have any of the big clubs competing at the top end of their leagues on a regular basis implemented this kind of data driven approach?

Or is it just the money ball Brentford, Brighton level clubs?

It’s obviously been successful for them to help them punch above their weight somewhat. Would that translate to the level above?
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I think Brentford and Brighton are extreme versions. But Liverpool under Edwards were data driven, City have a huge data and analytics department, and Arsenal bought a data company and folded it into their operation.

Most data-driven clubs will still have scouts on the ground following the top data targets, researching them off the pitch, etc.
 
Chris Flynn

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hero said:
Data driven approach is not a silver bullet. I don't think that BD is following this path or Red Bull's clubs. On top of that, if my memory serves me well, Kevin Wimmer with N'Jie and N'Koudou were selected by the black box of Mitchell. It seems, that it is a kind of gambling approach. You need an experienced scout to evaluate the players in South America, for example.
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To be fair Mitchells black box had a tap and was full of wine
 
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