The reality of no European football
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MR_BEN
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Agree 100%
And I don’t even think there is anything wrong with that thought process really.
Top 4, organic growth, self sustaining - and the odd chance of a title challenge here or there, like we had with Poch.
There isn’t much wrong with the business model - it’s the execution of it that has been lacking in recent years.
Hopefully he has learned his lesson..
mr ashley
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So we should expect to see lots of players out on loan until their contracts expire I imagine
It’s unlikely we’ll be able to sell all the dead wood, and we aren’t cancelling 10 contracts
the squad doesn’t need pruning, it needs a chainsaw
ukdy
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Agreed. Assuming you’re talking about attracting talent and a manager, and keeping those players we want to keep.
Frankly, this is the attitude that is killing the club. The financial concerns taking precedent over the footballing concerns.
It’s a difficult thing for a fan of the club to get around, there is a big difference of being in football and being a fan
Obviously I dont concur with that line of thinking - this is from what I see would to be be Levys perspective. Keep us competitive but not at the cost required to win the league. I want the title but that comes at a huge cost - from Levys perspective.
Albertbarich
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Lucas gone, lloris likely to be released, Perisic could be released. That's almost five hundred grand a week in wages saved alone.
Then take small fees for Winks, Sanchez, Rodon and Tanganga.
Try and sell/loan N'dombele, Reguillion and maybe Lo Celso if we get a good few.
Then I'd personally if the new manager is ok with it and I suspect with the type we want he will be, I'd sell Holjberg as we would get a good fee we can reinvest.
Get some kids a loan too. Maybe Spence although I wonder if we play a back three coul Emerson be converted to a centre back.
We could lose all of them and we would need a keeper, two centre backs and a creative midfielder or two. Very doable as I'd say the second centre back would be a younger player as would the second creative midfielder.
Then take small fees for Winks, Sanchez, Rodon and Tanganga.
Try and sell/loan N'dombele, Reguillion and maybe Lo Celso if we get a good few.
Then I'd personally if the new manager is ok with it and I suspect with the type we want he will be, I'd sell Holjberg as we would get a good fee we can reinvest.
Get some kids a loan too. Maybe Spence although I wonder if we play a back three coul Emerson be converted to a centre back.
We could lose all of them and we would need a keeper, two centre backs and a creative midfielder or two. Very doable as I'd say the second centre back would be a younger player as would the second creative midfielder.
Ah, my apologies.
E17yid
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Nah, not being in conference league is a good thing. Can’t see it making any difference to outgoings really.
I don’t see us making great strides next season but I can see a summer where we shift about half a dozen or so players who are surplus to requirements and we lay the foundations to build something for the season after next, fingers crossed.
I don’t see us making great strides next season but I can see a summer where we shift about half a dozen or so players who are surplus to requirements and we lay the foundations to build something for the season after next, fingers crossed.
Yantino
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I don't think it makes any difference to signings. I used to think it did, but it doesn't. The biggest disappointment is that we get out of that habit of playing mid-week, which isn't a good thing.
Having said that, the club do not deserve European football next season after what we had to endure watching. We were awful last season and got exactly what we deserved.
Having said that, the club do not deserve European football next season after what we had to endure watching. We were awful last season and got exactly what we deserved.
Dave1882
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Premier league team, with our facilities, based in London and our wage structure can attract talent over a club like Union Berlin or Lazio or Sociedad that are in CL. Realistically we can attract players over teams that are historically far bigger than the aforementioned or even us.
I’m not buying being out of Europe hurts as that much. We have a squad that needed massive cuts/rebuild regardless of European qualification and to replace with proper talent that fits a structure
MR_BEN
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Like it or not, football clubs are businesses - and assets that belong to individuals.
Unless the club is owned by an oligarch or an oil state with endless resources, then being well run financially will always be a driving factor, and so it should be.
If they run that side of things badly - then you really will see the ugly side of the game.
Look at the state of Barcelona. You want to end up like that? All for a trophy?
Or even worse - look at Everton, their owners have pumped in shit loads of money the club didn’t have, and are still fighting relegation every year, won jack all - and are under massive financial pressure.
Manchester Utd are probably one of the only clubs run on debt that aren’t a complete basket case. But their revenues are unlike anybody else’s.
Our owners - are doing things the right way in terms of growing the club. And boy - they’ve grown the club, no doubting that.
That’s not to say they couldn’t run it better from a football perspective. Absolutely they could. But that doesn’t mean completely going for broke - for a title you may still only have a 10% chance of winning.
jimbo
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I think part of Trix's original point is that being out of Europe next season makes it less likely we will get the turnover in the squad that we need. Shifting players out on a scale that would allow us to strengthen isn't going to happen now, or is at least very unlikely.
It seems to me that every summer we get lots of lists of players that could be sold, and for how much, yet I can't remember us ever letting anything like these numbers of players go. We're bad at selling players and without European football it possibly curbs the enthusiasm to cut the squad by other means. The next manager will be expected to go with what we've got for the most part.
There'll no doubt be a few ins and a few outs but it won't be anything like what most of us want or feel the club needs. With a broadly similar squad, if anything likely a bit weaker, we need to appoint a very talented coach (also looking extremely unlikely at the moment) or next season will be worse than this one.
The club needs to wake up and act decisively - we haven't so far and it doesn't seem like that's about to change anytime soon, sadly.
$hoguN
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I think Trix is spot on that missing out on European football will hurt game time for the squad and will mean that it’s used as an excuse for not investing.
for me though there are two massive positives. Firstly it’s got to lead to some very difficukt internal questions within ENIC about his leadership of the club which we know rumbled on last year. More than that though, next year will give a lot of clarity in focus. The team needs to spend time training and gelling. This could afford us benefits.
nevertheless I’m sure Levy will get the wrong manager appointment, leave signings until late and say coys
for me though there are two massive positives. Firstly it’s got to lead to some very difficukt internal questions within ENIC about his leadership of the club which we know rumbled on last year. More than that though, next year will give a lot of clarity in focus. The team needs to spend time training and gelling. This could afford us benefits.
nevertheless I’m sure Levy will get the wrong manager appointment, leave signings until late and say coys
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We don't need more than a few ins. We have already performed major surgery on the squad during the last couple of years and would do better prioritising quality over quantity now.
I know plenty at SC loves to moan about this being the same squad that has let down the last three or four managers. But we've actually bought something like 30 first-team squad players and sold or let go of something like 20 since the start of 19/20 season. That's a turnover of 50 or so players.
In fact, we can basically field a first team made up of players bought/loaned within the last two years: Forster; Porro; Lenglet; Romero ; Royal/Perisic; Bentancur; Sarr; Bissouma; Kulusevski; Richarlison; Danjuma. We also have the likes of Skipp who only recently came into the first team squad, Udogie and the largely untested Spence and Gill.
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E17yid
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I dunno, I reckon we’re due a change in our luck with regards to manager and player recruitment. Even Levy can’t keep getting it wrong can he? I’m a big believer in throwing enough shit against the wall and some of it will stick.
This place is always the same, though. Wait for a new manager and a few new signings (Who will be lauded as the best players in the world before they’ve even played for us) and people will be more optimistic until it all goes to shit again.
Yeah, this. Just look at how the, e.g. Romero, Kulusevski, Bissouma and Perisic threads started compared to now. Even Porro, who was bought just a few months ago. Some of these were being widely lauded as world-class or potentially world-class players during the summer. Funny how the story changed so radically within six months.
Pay them enough, and they will come. History has shown that.
jimbo
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It's a very fair point, but I think it depends a bit on where you see the root of the issues with the current squad. In my opinion, if you took our players and spread them about other teams in better shape they'd all look talented - to me it's more a collective squad problem centred around the club culture (or lack there-of). Changing/improving that without substantial squad shift is much harder because even players that came in after 19/20 have adopted the mentality of the squad as a whole. In short, I don't think it's ability issues so much as mentality. Setbacks within games seem to have a deep and long-lasting impact on our current group of players. The fans too seem to have regressed to the kind of shell-shocked pessimism that sees us sweating on leads, so it's not just the players really. There's just something about Tottenham at the moment that inspires nervousness.
Now, we could hire an inspirational coach who is able to change a lot without massive transfer activity - that was part of what I was getting at in the original - it's just that even our best manager of modern times needed to shift a lot before he could work his magic so it seems pretty unlikely that we can achieve one without the other.
It is pretty much always better to act decisively, and we don't seem very capable of that in recent years. If we could act decisively this summer I think it could go a long way to repairing much of what ails us.
